Can You Solve x*log(x) = 0.1*x^2 Using Logarithmic Properties?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation x*log(x) = 0.1*x^2, exploring various methods and approaches to find the value of x. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and the application of logarithmic properties.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that Newton's Method might be the easiest approach to solve the equation, noting the difficulty in isolating x.
  • Another participant questions whether log refers to log base 10 and proposes an initial guess of x being around 10.
  • A different participant points out that x=0 is not a solution due to the undefined nature of log(0) and proceeds to manipulate the equation to express it in terms of the Lambert W function, ultimately providing a numerical approximation for x.

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Participants express different methods and initial guesses for solving the equation, indicating that there is no consensus on a single approach or solution at this time.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the logarithm's base and the applicability of the Lambert W function, which may not be universally accepted or understood among all participants.

mycrafish
x*log(x)=0.1*x^2
 
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My guess is that using Newton's Method would be the easiest. I don't see any easy way to isolate x in that equation.
 
mycrafish said:
x*log(x)=0.1*x^2
Is log = log10? Then I'd guess about, oh, let's see, ... 10? :smile:
 
First, of course, x= 0 is not a solution because log(0) is not defined. So you can divide both sides by x to get log(x)= 0.1 x. You can now write this as x= e^{0.1x}. If you let y= -0.1x, that becomes -y/0.1= e^{-y}. Now multiply on both sides by -0.1e^y to get ye^y= -0.1.

Now we can take the Lambert W function of both sides:
y= -0.1x= W(-0.1) so x= -10W(-0.1)= -10(-0.111833)= 1.11833 (to six significant figures).

(The Lambert W function is defined as the inverse function to f(x)= xe^x. It is also known as the "ProductLog" function. Mathematica evaluates that function and it can be evaluated at http://functions.wolfram.com/webMathematica/FunctionEvaluation.jsp?name=ProductLog. That's what I used to get the value above.)
 
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