Can You Tour the LHC in Switzerland?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of touring the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Switzerland, exploring access restrictions, visitor experiences, and related inquiries about the facility's infrastructure and safety measures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the feasibility of touring the LHC during a personal trip to Switzerland.
  • Another participant asserts that access to the LHC tunnels is highly restricted due to various safety hazards, including radiation and cryogenic risks.
  • A suggestion is made to consider a cruise that includes a tour of CERN, although it is clarified that this does not include the LHC itself.
  • Some participants mention the availability of virtual tours as an alternative to physical access to the tunnels.
  • There is mention of a visitor's area at the ATLAS detector, which allows for some level of observation without direct access to the tunnels.
  • One participant raises a question about the radiation levels in the tunnels after the LHC has been turned off, indicating a concern for safety and the conditions under which tours might occur.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the electrical infrastructure of the LHC, including the scale of electrical services and the workforce involved in its construction.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about watching a documentary on the LHC, highlighting the impressive nature of the facility and the dangers associated with it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that access to the LHC tunnels is restricted due to safety concerns, but there are differing views on the availability of tours and the extent of visitor access to the facility.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specifics of radiation levels and safety protocols, as well as the details of the electrical infrastructure, indicating a need for further information on these topics.

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If I were to make it to Switzerland on my own (maybe as part of a business trip, followed by a few days off ...) would it be possible to tour the collider?
 
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No. The tunnels are all interlocked, and access to them is very, very strictly controlled. It's a radiation hazard area, an oxygen deficiency hazard area, an electrical hazard area, a cryogenic hazard area, and I'm sure I forgot some.
 
You could do it as part of an upcoming Bright Horizons cruise.
http://www.insightcruises.com/top_g/sa08_top.html"
 
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No, that gives a tour of CERN. Not a tour of the LHC.
 
Oh. I saw LHC mentioned and thought that it was part of the tour as well.
 
http://www.uslhc.us/Resources/Virtual_Visits"

You don't get to go in the tunnels, because those are restricted (like said before). But you can take a virtual tour, without the possibility of a cryogenics leak!:-p
 
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No. The tunnels are all interlocked, and access to them is very, very strictly controlled. It's a radiation hazard area, an oxygen deficiency hazard area, an electrical hazard area, a cryogenic hazard area, and I'm sure I forgot some.
The accelerator I work with, sometimes we have "dignified" visitors for whom we may even stop the machine so they can enjoy (?) a tour. Of course, they must be escorted. The point is that once the machine is stopped and there is no prompt radiation, a survey is performed to make sure the area was not activated above safe levels, and so that the accelerator tunnel can be visited safely, without prior training if one is escorted.

Suppose CERN would turn off the LHC and there is no more prompt radiation. What are the typical radiation levels from activation in the tunnel after say a couple of hours ?
 
I would be interested in the distribution for electrical power. It must be an enormous distribution. How many electrical services and how large are some of the bigger switchgear and transformers? What feeds that thing? That also must be a gigantic amount of conduit, cable tray, and wire (hundreds of tons of it?) I would have loved to have helped build the LHC. I wonder how many electricians were employed building the LHC. Those are the sorts of questions I would ask.
 
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The other day I watched a documentary named Higgs. It followed some of the researchers as they were preparing for the initiation of the system and also interviewed Mr Higgs himself. It was really impressive watching those people walk around in the tunnels of the collider, what a system! They also showed the damage that was caused by a break in the tube, which definitely indicated that you don't want to be there when that happens.
 

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