Capacitor, Dielectrics and height movement

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height (h) to which dielectric oil rises between two coaxial cylindrical metal tubes, with the inner tube at potential V and the outer grounded. Key equations include the capacitance formula for cylindrical capacitors, C/L = (2πkε₀)/(ln(b/a)), and the force equation F = (1/2)V²(dC/dx). Participants clarified the need to differentiate the capacitance with respect to height and equate forces for equilibrium, ultimately leading to the relationship between the electric force and the weight of the oil.

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  • #31
TFM said:
I though it seemed to small...

So:

(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})})*(1+\chi_e)

(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})})*(1+\chi_e)

Goes to:

\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})} + \chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})})

so

F = \frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) )

?

TFM

Looks good to me. What do you get for the final value of h?
 
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  • #32
F also = mg, so

\rho * \left(\pi*b^2*h - \pi*a^2*h\right) = \frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) )

take the h out the brackets:

\rho *h \left(\pi*b^2 - \pi*a^2\right) = \frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) )

giving:

h = \frac{(\frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) ))}{\rho*\left(\pi*b^2 - \pi*a^2\right)}
 
  • #33
TFM said:
F also = mg, so

\rho * \left(\pi*b^2*h - \pi*a^2*h\right) = \frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) )

take the h out the brackets:

\rho *h \left(\pi*b^2 - \pi*a^2\right) = \frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) )

giving:

h = \frac{(\frac{1}{2}V^2(\chi_e(\frac{2*\pi*\epsilon_0}{ln(\frac{b}{a})}) ))}{\rho*\left(\pi*b^2 - \pi*a^2\right)}

You are missing the factor of g. (You set the force equal to the mass, but it needs to be set equal to the weight.)
 

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