Capacitors in series with dielectrics

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving capacitors in series, specifically a 240 nF capacitor and a 4.0 µF capacitor connected to a 240 V potential difference. The 4.0 µF capacitor includes a dielectric material with a dielectric constant of κ = 8, and participants are tasked with calculating various parameters related to the capacitors, including charge, potential, spacing between plates, electric field, and energy density.

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  • Participants explore how the dielectric affects the capacitance and charge of the capacitors. There is some confusion regarding the role of the dielectric in the calculations, particularly whether the given capacitance already accounts for it. Questions arise about the calculations for potential differences across the capacitors and the implications of the results not summing to the expected total voltage.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing calculations and questioning the validity of their results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the dielectric's effect and the calculations for potential differences, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcomes.

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Participants note that the dielectric constant is necessary for certain calculations, particularly those related to the internal structure of the capacitor. There is also mention of rounding issues affecting the total voltage across the capacitors.

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A ##240 nF## capacitor and a ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor are connected in series with a ##240 V## potential difference.

The ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor has a parallel plate configuration, with a surface area of ##110 cm^2## and a dielectric material between the plates. The dielectric constant is ##\kappa = 8##.

1. Calculate the charge stored in the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

2. Calculate the potential across the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor and the potential across the ##240 nF## capacitor.

3. Find the spacing between the plates of the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

4. Find the magnitude of the electric field in the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

5. Calculate the energy density in the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

Homework Equations



##C_1 = 4.0 \mu F = 4.0 \times 10^{-6} F##
##C_2 = 240 nF = 240 \times 10^{-9} F##

##V = 240 V##
##\kappa = 8##

##q = CV##
##C = \epsilon_0 L##, where ##L## has the dimension of length.

Screenshot of how I figure the circuit looks: http://gyazo.com/6c138b176e22538339aa4ab44b899b50

For series capacitors: ##C_{eq} = (\sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{C_i})^{-1}##

The Attempt at a Solution



1. I'm slightly confused about how to factor in the dielectric material.

A potential is maintained across the circuit and a dielectric is filling the space between the plates of ##C_1##. So the effect of the dielectric is to increase the charge ##q_1## on ##C_1##, by increasing ##C_1## by factor of ##\kappa##?

Using this logic, I could find an equivalent capacitance ##C_{12}## given by:

##C_{12} = ( \frac{1}{\kappa C_1} + \frac{1}{C_2} )^{-1}##

Then using ##q_{12} = C_{12} V_{12}##, I could find the charge across ##C_{12}##.

Then using the fact that capacitors in series all have the same charge, we could write ##q_{12} = q_1 = q_2##.

Does this seem reasonable?
 
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No, you're given ##C_1##. That's the capacitance with the dielectric already factored in.

You need the dielectric constant to answer 3-5, which have to do with the internals of the capacitor.
 
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vela said:
No, you're given ##C_1##. That's the capacitance with the dielectric already factored in.

You need the dielectric constant to answer 3-5, which has to do with the internals of the capacitor.

Ah I was a bit confused about that. Thank you for you input.

1. An equivalent capacitor is given by:

##C_{12} = ( \frac{1}{C_1} + \frac{1}{C_2} )^{-1} = ( \frac{1}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} + \frac{1}{240 \times 10^{-9} F} )^{-1} = 2.2642 \times 10^{-7} = 2.3 \times 10^{-7} F##

The charge on this capacitor is given by:

##q_{12} = C_{12} V_{12} = (2.2642 \times 10^{-7} F) (240 V) = 0.000054 = 5.4 \times 10^{-5} C##

Since the capacitors are in series ##q_1 = q_2 = q_{12}##.
 
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Continuing the work here:

2. To obtain the potential across ##C_1##, simply use:

##q_1 = C_1 V_1 \Rightarrow V_1 = \frac{q_1}{C_1} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 13.5 V = 13 V##

To obtain the potential across ##C_2##:

##q_2 = C_2 V_2 \Rightarrow V_2 = \frac{q_2}{C_2} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{240 \times 10^{-9} F} = 225 V = 230 V##

My results seem to be slightly off, not sure why. They should add up to ##240 V##.


3. To find the spacing between the plates of ##C_1##, simply use the general equation for a capacitor with a dielectric:

##C_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 L = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{d_1}##

Hence: ##d_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{C_1} = (8)(8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) \frac{0.011 m^2}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 1.947 \times 10^{-7} m = 1.9 \times 10^{-7} m##


4. Using Gauss' law with a dielectric and noting the electric field is constant between the plates:

##q_1 = \epsilon_0 \oint \kappa \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 \oint \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 E \oint dA## (Since ##\vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = E cos(0°) dA##).

The closed surface integral now gives the surface area of the plates, so we write:

##q_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 E A \Rightarrow E = \frac{q_1}{\kappa \epsilon_0 A} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{(8) (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (0.011 m^2)} = 6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m} = 6.9 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m}##


5. To find the energy density of ##C_1##, simply use:

##u = \frac{1}{2} \epsilon_0 E^2 = \frac{1}{2} (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m})^2 = 21275.557 \frac{J}{m^3} = 21000 \frac{J}{m^3}##



Do these look good?
 
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Continuing the work here:

2. To obtain the potential across ##C_1##, simply use:

##q_1 = C_1 V_1 \Rightarrow V_1 = \frac{q_1}{C_1} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 13.5 V = 13 V##

To obtain the potential across ##C_2##:

##q_2 = C_2 V_2 \Rightarrow V_2 = \frac{q_2}{C_2} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{240 \times 10^{-9} F} = 225 V = 230 V##

My results seem to be slightly off, not sure why. They should add up to ##240 V##.
It's just rounding. To the two sig figs you kept, the sum is consistent with 240 V.

3. To find the spacing between the plates of ##C_1##, simply use the general equation for a capacitor with a dielectric:

##C_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 L = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{d_1}##

Hence: ##d_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{C_1} = (8)(8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) \frac{0.011 m^2}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 1.947 \times 10^{-7} m = 1.9 \times 10^{-7} m##


4. Using Gauss' law with a dielectric and noting the electric field is constant between the plates:

##q_1 = \epsilon_0 \oint \kappa \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 \oint \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 E \oint dA## (Since ##\vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = E cos(0°) dA##).

The closed surface integral now gives the surface area of the plates, so we write:

##q_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 E A \Rightarrow E = \frac{q_1}{\kappa \epsilon_0 A} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{(8) (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (0.011 m^2)} = 6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m} = 6.9 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m}##
You could also use ##V=Ed## since the electric field is uniform. It's a bit simpler, though your calculation is fine too.

5. To find the energy density of ##C_1##, simply use:

##u = \frac{1}{2} \epsilon_0 E^2 = \frac{1}{2} (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m})^2 = 21275.557 \frac{J}{m^3} = 21000 \frac{J}{m^3}##
You need to account for the dielectric medium here.
 
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