Carbon di oxide emission of filament bulbs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the carbon dioxide emissions associated with filament bulbs compared to compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs). Participants explore the implications of switching from filament bulbs to more energy-efficient lighting options, considering the broader context of electricity consumption and its environmental impact.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how phasing out filament bulbs will reduce carbon dioxide emissions if overall electricity consumption remains unchanged due to other devices still requiring power.
  • Another suggests examining the GDP to power consumption ratio as a potential indicator of efficiency versus consumption trends.
  • A participant notes that increases in efficiency do not always lead to reduced overall consumption, hinting at a complex relationship between energy efficiency and demand.
  • Some participants highlight that CFLs consume less energy than filament bulbs, which could lead to lower electricity bills and reduced load on power plants, potentially decreasing CO2 emissions.
  • There is a discussion about the heat generated by filament bulbs contributing to air temperature increases, which may relate to global warming, though the statistical support for this claim is uncertain.
  • One participant asserts that the reduction in power consumption from using CFLs directly correlates to reduced fuel burning at power plants, thereby decreasing CO2 emissions, independent of the heating effects of the bulbs themselves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy efficiency, overall consumption, and carbon emissions. While some argue that switching to CFLs will help reduce emissions, others question the effectiveness of this approach given the continued demand for electricity from other sources.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the impact of energy efficiency on overall consumption and the specific contributions of different devices to carbon emissions. The discussion also touches on the interplay between energy policy and consumer behavior.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the environmental impacts of lighting technologies, energy efficiency, and the broader implications of electricity consumption on climate change.

ananthu
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One thing I am not able to understand.

Governments advocate the slow phasing out of the filament lamps and replacing them with CFLs.The reason repeatedly cited for this is that the filament lamps contribute to the global warming by way of emitting carbon-di-oxide.

But, interestingly, it is also clarified that it is not these bulbs which are directly emitting the gas into the atmosphere, but the power plants which work on carbon-burning process emit the gas for producing the electricity consumed by these bulbs.

What I can not understand is that even if all the people of the world stop using these bulbs and start using some other Eco-friendly bulbs, how this will help these power plants to reduce the carbon-di-oxide emission, unless this will result in the reduction of the quantity of the power produced itself, by the plants sufficiently. Because, people will continue to use electricity by way of other devices such as air conditioners, fridges, heaters etc. and the electricity requirement is never going to come down.

Can anybody enlighten on this line?
 
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ananthu said:
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how this will help these power plants to reduce the carbon-di-oxide emission, unless this will result in the reduction of the quantity of the power produced itself, by the plants sufficiently. Because, people will continue to use electricity by way of other devices such as air conditioners, fridges, heaters etc. and the electricity requirement is never going to come down.

In a (probably doomed) effort to save this thread from locking, I suggest that you might find it interesting to look at the ratio of GDP (Gross Domestic Product) to power consumption for various national economies.
 
Nugatory said:
In a (probably doomed) effort to save this thread from locking, I suggest that you might find it interesting to look at the ratio of GDP (Gross Domestic Product) to power consumption for various national economies.

Sorry. I couldn't catch what you wanted to convey.
 
ananthu said:
Sorry. I couldn't catch what you wanted to convey.

If you look at this data, you will find some evidence that suggests that increases in efficiency are not always offset by increases in consumption.

(This conversation is more about politics and economics than about physics).
 
ananthu said:
What I can not understand is that even if all the people of the world stop using these bulbs and start using some other Eco-friendly bulbs, how this will help these power plants to reduce the carbon-di-oxide emission, unless this will result in the reduction of the quantity of the power produced itself, by the plants sufficiently.

We use a lot of bulbs. The claim is that an 11W CFL bulb puts ot as much light as a 60W incandescent. That's pretty good.

They are making A/C units and refrigerators low-consumption as well.

It's just that people make a choice about what bulbs they buy.
 
DaveC426913 said:
We use a lot of bulbs. The claim is that an 11W CFL bulb puts ot as much light as a 60W incandescent. That's pretty good.

They are making A/C units and refrigerators low-consumption as well.

It's just that people make a choice about what bulbs they buy.

May be it is because, when people use the filament bulbs, a lot of energy consumed goes into air as heat. But, it is not the case with the CFLs. So, can we say that the burning of the filament bulbs contributes to the increase in the air temperature, thereby contributes to the global warming? I don't know whether the statistics will support such a claim. But, one advantage I find in using the CFLs is that it reduces your electricity bill to certain extent.

On the other side, does not an AC unit produce cooling inside your house by pushing the inside heat outside? I suspect it could also equally contribute to the increase in the average atmospheric temperature.

On these lines experts' opinions will be helpful to a common man.
 
ananthu said:
May be it is because, when people use the filament bulbs, a lot of energy consumed goes into air as heat. But, it is not the case with the CFLs. So, can we say that the burning of the filament bulbs contributes to the increase in the air temperature, thereby contributes to the global warming? I don't know whether the statistics will support such a claim. But, one advantage I find in using the CFLs is that it reduces your electricity bill to certain extent.

On the other side, does not an AC unit produce cooling inside your house by pushing the inside heat outside? I suspect it could also equally contribute to the increase in the average atmospheric temperature.

On these lines experts' opinions will be helpful to a common man.

The bulbs reduce your power consumption, which reduces the load on the power plants, which reduces the fuel they have to burn, which reduces the amount of CO2 they put into the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with the bulbs heating the air itself.
 
Drakkith said:
The bulbs reduce your power consumption, which reduces the load on the power plants, which reduces the fuel they have to burn, which reduces the amount of CO2 they put into the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with the bulbs heating the air itself.
Concurrence.
 

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