Cardnality of Infinite Sets (4)

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The discussion revolves around the cardinality of infinite sets, specifically focusing on functions from the natural numbers to finite sets, and properties of Cartesian products and unions of sets. The original poster presents several questions regarding cardinality, including proving relationships between sets and exploring the implications of disjoint sets.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the cardinality of functions from the natural numbers to a finite set and raises questions about proving properties of Cartesian products and unions of sets.
  • Some participants question the validity of the original poster's attempts, suggesting a lack of engagement with the problems.
  • Others propose defining bijections to establish relationships between the sets in question.
  • There are inquiries about how to rigorously prove that a piecewise function is one-to-one.
  • Participants discuss the implications of disjoint sets on the properties of functions defined between them.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of cardinal numbers and their relationships, particularly in the context of power sets.

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  • #31
After all of these questions, you still can't think of a way to make a correspondence between ternary number is [0,1] and maps from N to {1,2,7} without posting a question and then waiting around for someone to tell you?
 
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  • #32
V={{s1,s2,s3,...}|si=0 or 1 or 2}
To each sequence in V, let it correspond to the subset of N consisting of {j|sj=2}
e.g.{1,2,0,1,2,...} <-> {2,5,...}

|V|=|P(N)|=c

But this only shows 2^|N|=c
 
  • #33
kingwinner said:
V={{s1,s2,s3,...}|si=0 or 1 or 2}
To each sequence in V, let it correspond to the subset of N consisting of {j|sj=2}
e.g.{1,2,0,1,2,...} <-> {2,5,...}

|V|=|P(N)|=c

But this only shows 2^|N|=c

Sigh. If you meant e.g. {1,2,0,1,2,..}<->{2,7,1,2,7,..}. Yes. No, it DOESN'T show 2^|N|=c. Why would it show that? What does it show?
 
  • #34
Dick said:
Sigh. If you meant e.g. {1,2,0,1,2,..}<->{2,7,1,2,7,..}. Yes. No, it DOESN'T show 2^|N|=c. Why would it show that? What does it show?

OK, I think I get the overall argument:

|{f| f: N -> {1,2,7} }|
=|{sqeuences of 1,2,7}|
=|{sequences of 0,1,2}|
=|{ternary decimals in [0,1]}|
=|[0,1]|
=c

I know this is easy for you, but not so for a student with only a 2-lecture intro to this topic without many practical examples. Thanks for your patience!
 
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  • #35
That's it exactly. You're welcome!
 

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