Carnot Efficiency of a heat engine

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The discussion revolves around the Carnot efficiency of a heat engine, focusing on the relationship between energy transfer and temperature. Participants are exploring how to derive the Carnot efficiency given specific energy values without direct temperature measurements.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of energy in joules to temperature in Kelvin and question the feasibility of calculating Carnot efficiency without temperature. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of actual and Carnot efficiency, with some participants expressing confusion over the necessary parameters for calculation.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding efficiency calculations. Some participants have provided insights into the definitions and assumptions related to Carnot efficiency, while others express uncertainty about the lack of temperature data and its impact on the calculations.

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There are constraints regarding the information provided in the original problem, particularly the absence of temperature values necessary for calculating Carnot efficiency. Participants are also navigating the limitations of their textbook's explanations.

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My problem only gives me joules to work with. Is it possible to convert from joules of energy to temperature (Kelvin)?? If so how?
 
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Best to state the problem. Maybe we can see a way around it.
 
An engine transfers 2.00x10^3 Joules of energy from a hot reservoir during a cycle and transfers 1.50x10^3 Joules as exhaust to a cold reservoir. Find the actual efficiency of the engine and then compare it to the carnot efficiency.

The actual efficiency is 75% I calculated. For carnot efficiency i need temperature, but I don't know how to get it.
 
Your calculation of the efficiency is wrong. Also, if you don't have the temperature of the reservoirs, you can't get the Carnot efficiency.
 
The actual efficiency of the engine

\epsilon=\frac{work \; done \; by \; the \; engine}{total \; energy \; used \; by \; it}
 
My book says (efficiency=energy output/energy input)
Which would give me 75% I believe.
So there is no way to get the carnot efficiency?
 
The engine extracts energy between the input and output reservoirs of the engine, this it converts into work. Look in the section on the 2nd law of Thermodynamics how to convert the transferred heat to temperatures.
 
The 75% is the Carnot engine's efficiency.
 
Hmmm interesting. My book does not go into depth very much, because I am in a survey class, so I don't understand how you could calculate it without having your temperatrure. The only equation I got in my book for carnot efficiency is
carnot efficiency=(Thot-Tcold)/ Thot
 
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For a Carnot engine it is assumed that all of the extracted heat, QH - QL (high, low), is converted into work by the engine, so that its efficiency is given by

\epsilon=\frac{Q_{H}-Q_{L}}{Q_{H}}
 
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Basic_Physics said:
For a Carnot engine it is assumed that all of the extracted heat, QH - QL (high, low), is converted into work by the engine, so that its efficiency is given by

\epsilon=\frac{Q_{H}-Q_{L}}{Q_{H}}
W = Qh-Ql for any heat engine. So this is the definition of efficiency for any heat engine. To calculate the Carnot efficiency, the maximum efficiency of any possible heat engine operating between these two reservoirs, you would need to know the temperatures, Th and Tc.

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AlaskanPow said:
My book says (efficiency=energy output/energy input)
Which would give me 75% I believe.
So there is no way to get the carnot efficiency?
The heat exhausted to the cold reservoir is not the energy output of the heat engine.
 

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