Cart-Cart Collision, Conservation of Momentum

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The discussion revolves around a collision between two carts, focusing on the conservation of momentum. The first cart, with a mass of 130 kg, is initially moving at 24 m/s and collides with a stationary cart of 350 kg. After the collision, the first cart rebounds at 4 m/s. The problem also involves analyzing the scenario from the perspective of a moving observer.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of momentum and its conservation, questioning how to apply these concepts in the context of a moving observer. There are attempts to set up equations based on the conservation of momentum, but confusion arises regarding the expected outcomes and the interpretation of velocities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using the conservation of momentum and suggested checking calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how the observer's motion affects the momentum calculations, with no clear consensus yet on the correct approach.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of a moving observer on momentum calculations and are uncertain about the setup of their equations. The original poster expresses feeling lost, indicating a need for further clarification on the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement


A cart (m1 = 130 kg) is moving to the right along a track at v1i = 24 m/s when it hits a stationary cart (m2 = 350 kg) and rebounds with a speed of v1f = 4 m/s in the opposite direction.

a) With what speed does the 350 kg cart move after the collision?
A: 10.4 m/s

An observer moves in the same direction as the incoming cart with a speed of 12 m/s.
Using the convention that the positive direction is to the right, what are the following velocities with respect to this observer:

b) v1i, ob... A: 12
c) v2i, ob... A: -12
d) v1f, ob... A: 16
e) v2f, ob... A: -1.6

This is the annoying part...

f) What is the total momentum of the system before the collision as seen by this moving observer?

g) What is the total momentum of the system after the collision as seen by this same observer?

Homework Equations



m1v1 = m2v2

Any thoughts on how to solve this? I'm a little lost.
 
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Think about 1. the definition of momentum, and 2. conservation of momentum. :smile:
 
yeah i tried using conservation of momentum but the answers I am getting don't make sense to me. the equation doesn't even out.

the way i think of it, from a stand-still perspective, the net momentum is 0, so if youre moving at 12 m/s, shouldn't the net momentum look like -12 m/s?

i tried using the new velocities in the m1v1 = m2v2 equation, but i think i must be setting it up wrong somehow. any suggestions?
 
Perhaps this diagram http://yfrog.com/45pf2cj will help somewhat (sorry it's somewhat crudely been done in MS Paint) :smile:

Surely the momentum should always be the same, regardless of whether the observer is moving or not, right?! :wink:

If you take the definition:

[tex]m_{1}v_{1i}+m_{2}v_{2i} = m_{1}v_{2i}+m_{2}v_{2f}[/itex]<br /> <br /> Using all the values calculated in the first part, you should find that both sides of the equation are equal, hence momentum is conserved.<br /> <br /> Now if you also alternatively use the values calculated in respect to the observer, you should find that again both sides of the equation are equal and hence momentum conserved.<br /> <br /> Try doing those, and post you're calculations if you still have any problems. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":smile:" title="Smile :smile:" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":smile:" />[/tex]
 
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