Cartan's first structure equation proof

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The discussion revolves around Cartan's first structure equation and its proof, focusing on the application of the exterior derivative to certain components within the context of differential geometry. Participants are exploring the implications of the Koszul connection and the nature of tensors involved in the equations presented.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the exterior derivative can be applied to the component A^j_i, expressing uncertainty about this step's significance. Other participants discuss the definition of the exterior derivative and its application to functions and tensors, questioning the nature of A^j_i in relation to scalars and 1-forms.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the differences between components and forms, while others are still seeking a physical or geometrical interpretation of the exterior derivative. The conversation is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored without a clear consensus.

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There is a mention of the original poster's limited formal education in advanced mathematics, which may influence their understanding of the concepts discussed. Additionally, the conversation includes references to specific equations and components that are central to the proof being analyzed.

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this is my first post on this site but it looks like the sort of ppl that i would like to associate myself with.

Unfourtanately, I have not had any formal schooling for any mathematics above calculus but i have read a few books and papers and am trying to make due.

I was studying about the cartan's first structure equation and was looking at this proof :

http://www.pzgnet.cc/images/cartan/eq1.png

where [tex]\nabla_x[/tex] is a koszul connection, [tex]e_i[/tex] is a basis and [tex]\partial_j A^j_i[/tex] is a change of basis from e and [tex]\omega[/tex] is a standard connection in the actual equation :

http://www.pzgnet.cc/images/cartan/eq2.png

In step 3 why can the exterior derivitave be applied to [tex]A^j_i[/tex]?

I am no impact no idea on this step and it seems quite important so i don't want to skip it. Any ideas what I am missing?

**nb in equation 2 [tex]\omega^i_j[/tex] should be [tex]\omega^j_i[/tex]
 
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If [itex]f[/itex] is a function, how is the exterior derivative [itex]df[/itex] defined?

It may prove useful to think about vector fields [itex]X[/itex] and/or a coodinate basis

[tex]\left\{\frac{\partial}{\partial x_i} \right\}[/itex]<br /> <br /> to answer this.<br /> <br /> Regards,<br /> George[/tex]
 
that may be my biggest problem. I am a visual learner, but I don't have a good physical picture of 'd'.

Algebraically, d is defined a [tex]d = \frac{\partial}{\partial x_i} dx^i[/tex].
d applied to the 0-form [tex]f[/tex] gives a 1-form [tex]df[/tex].

Then it would follow that [tex]X(f) = df (X)[/tex] as in the definition of a 1-form.

However is [tex]A^j_i[/tex] equivalent to a scalar because the contravariant and covariant parts of the [tex][\frac{1}{1}][/tex] valent tensor cancel out?

This is opposed to [tex]\omega^k_i[/tex], a [tex][\frac{1}{1}][/tex] tensor as well, which acts as a 1-form on X. Is there a standard of how a tensor acts or is it based on the definition of the tensor?
 
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For each [itex]i[/itex] and [itex]j[/itex], [itex]A^{i}_{j}[/itex] is a component, i.e., a function, while each [itex]\omega^{i}_{j}[/itex] is a 1-form, and, consequently, they are very different animals.

Consider a couple of examples. A vector field [itex]X[/itex] can be expressed in terms a set of basis fields as [itex]X = X^{i} e_{i}[/itex]. Each [itex]X^i[/itex] is is a component, i.e., a scalar-valued function of the base space, while each [itex]e_i[/itex] is a vector field.

Similary, if [itex]\omega^{i}_{j} = \omega^{i}_{jk} dx^k[/itex], each [itex]\omega^{i}_{jk}[/itex] is a component, while each [itex]dx^k[/itex] is a 1-form.

Bottom line: sometime indices label comonents, and sometimes they label other objects.

Welcome to Physics Forums, and, if I haven't answered all your questions, or if my explanation is not very clear, keep asking questions.

Regards,
George
 
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thank you very much sir, that clears it up perfectly.

However i do have one more inquery. What is a good physical/geometrical description of an exterior derivitave?
 
r16 said:
What is a good physical/geometrical description of an exterior derivitave?

Unfortunately, I don't know a good physical/geometrical description of an exterior derivative. Maybe someone else does.

I just work abstractly with its properties.

Regards,
George
 

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