Cat walking on a log floating on water

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The problem involves a cat and a dog standing on a uniform log floating in a lake, with the goal of determining how far the log moves as the cat walks to the dog's end. The scenario includes considerations of mass, initial conditions, and conservation of momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using conservation of momentum and center of mass calculations to analyze the system. Questions arise regarding the unknowns involved, particularly the velocities and the time taken for the cat's movement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided attempts at calculating the initial and final center of mass, while others have raised hints about the implications of the center of mass in relation to the log and the shore. There is an ongoing exploration of how the system behaves as the cat moves.

Contextual Notes

The problem does not provide specific velocities for the pets or the log, which participants note as a constraint in their calculations. Additionally, the assumption that the log does not experience horizontal forces from the water is acknowledged.

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Homework Statement


A dog and a cat, are standing at opposite ends of a uniform log that is floating in a lake. The log is 11.0m long and has mass 460kg . The dog has mass 9.0kg and the cat has mass 7.0kg . Initially the log and the two pets are at rest relative to the shore.The cat then begins to walk to the dog's end of the log to get it.

Relative to the shore, what distance has the log moved by the time the cat reaches the dog? Neglect any horizontal force that the water exerts on the log and assume that neither Burt nor Ernie falls off the log


Homework Equations


m1v1+m2v2=m3v3


The Attempt at a Solution


i tried to use conservation of momentum to solve this problem.
Mass of cat*initial velocity of cat + 0(initial momentum of the dog and the log) = Mass of (log+cat+dog)*velocity(3)
i get 2 unknowns, initial velocity of cat and velocity(3)
is there other clue that i can gather from the question since the question did not provide me with any of the pets nor the log velocity..
 
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Hint: Where's the center of mass of the system before and after the cat moves?
 
here's my attempt:

initial centre of mass:
{(460*5.5)+(9.0*0)+(7.0*11)/460+9.0+7.0=5.477m

final centre of mass:
(460*5.5)+(9.0*0)+(7.0*x)/460+9.0+7.0 = (2530+7x)/476

if i try to solve it using conservation of momentum, there is still an unknown- time taken for the cat to complete its journey..
 
GreenTea09 said:
here's my attempt:

initial centre of mass:
{(460*5.5)+(9.0*0)+(7.0*11)/460+9.0+7.0=5.477m
Good. That's the initial location of the center of mass as measured along the log.

final centre of mass:
(460*5.5)+(9.0*0)+(7.0*x)/460+9.0+7.0 = (2530+7x)/476
Do the same thing that you did for the initial center of mass--the only difference is that the cat has moved to the other side. So what is x?

Hint: The center of mass will shift position with respect to the log, but does it shift with respect to the shore?
 

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