Catenary Realism: Calculating Weight of Electric Wire

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the catenary shape of an electrical wire with mass, specifically focusing on calculating the weight of the wire. The wire is described as having a linear mass density of 0.9 kg/m and is strung between two poles 30 meters apart, forming a specific angle at each end. The mathematical representation of the wire's shape is provided, along with hints regarding the integration needed to find the length of the wire.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration process required to determine the length of the wire, with one participant expressing uncertainty about how to proceed after starting the integration. Questions arise about whether to substitute the wire's equation into the length equation and how to handle the derivative in the integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in clarifying the integration steps and exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance is being offered regarding the integration process, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not encountered similar problems in class, which may contribute to their uncertainty in approaching the integration and calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


when a cable with non-zero mass is connected to a pole at both ends, the shape it assumes is called a catenary.
it can be shown that for an electrical wire whose linear mass density is .9 kg/m strung between poles 30m apart(and making a 22 degree angle at each end) the mathematical equation is
y=(38.1m)[cosh(x/38.1m)-1]
a) an electircal wire of linear mass density .9 kg/m is strung, between poles 30m apart, from west to east on earth. initially the current flowing is zero and therefore the wires shape is that of a catenary. what is the weight of the wire?HINT: the length of the wire(which is not 30m) is found by integrating dl over the catenary. Use the fact the
dl=dx[sqrt(1+(dy/dx)^2) in order to have an integration over the x-axis.

It shows a picture with an equation for the wire. y=(38.1m)[cosh(x/38.1m)-1]


Homework Equations


equation for the wire ...y=(38.1m)[cosh(x/38.1m)-1]
length of the wire... dl=dx[sqrt(1+(dy/dx)^2)
He also gave us all of the equations and proofs of hyperbolic functions.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was not sure what to do since i have never done a problem like this. I was neither shown in class how to do anything close to this.
I started with integrating the length of the wire function. I am having problems with the integration though. I am not sure what to do after this or if its even right what I am doing.
 
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Well, what sort of problems are you having with the integration of dl?
 
Should i plug the equation of the wire into the length of the wire equation? Then i would derive the equation for the wire and then integrate the dl...
 
I can change the sqrt[1+(dy/dx)^2] to cosh(dy/dx), correct?
 

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