Center of mass and moment of inertia of catenary

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The problem involves calculating the center of mass and moment of inertia for a homogeneous catenary described by the equation z=acosh(x/a) with y=0, where x ranges from -a to a. The original poster attempts to derive expressions for these quantities based on the geometry of the catenary.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster describes their approach using parametric equations and integrals to find the center of mass. They express concern about the validity of their calculations before proceeding to the moment of inertia. Other participants question the results of integrals and the application of identities related to hyperbolic functions.

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Participants are engaged in verifying the calculations related to the integrals involved in determining the center of mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of integrals, and there is an acknowledgment of a mistake in the constant term during the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the integral results are being explored.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of mathematical identities and integration techniques. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify assumptions and calculations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


A homogeneous catenary ##z=acosh(x/a)##, ##y=0## and ##x\in \left [ -a,a \right ]## is given. Calculate the center of mass and moment of inertia


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I started with ##x=at##, for##t\in \left [ -1,1 \right ]##, therefore y remains ##y=0## and ##z=acosh(ta/a)=acosh(t)##.
Btw, a is constant greater than zero, not a sign of arcus or any other inverse function.

Ok, now ##r(t)=(at,0,acosh(t))## and ##\dot{r}(t)=(a,0,asinh(t))## and ##\left |\dot{r} \right |=acosh(t)##

So the length of the catenary is ##l=\int_{-1}^{1}acosh(t)dt=2asinh(1)##

The catenary is symmetrical on x axis, but point z is given as ##z=\frac{\int_{-1}^{1}a^2cosh^2(t)dt}{\int_{-1}^{1}acosh(t)dt}=\frac{a^2}{2asinh(1)}\int_{-1}^{1}cosh^2(t)dt=\frac{asinh(2)}{4sinh(1)}=\frac{a}{2}cosh(1)##

I would just like to know if this is ok, before I start calculating moment of inertia?
 
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Your method looks fine, but I'm getting a different result for the integral of cosh2 t.
 
Hmmm, let's take a look..

##a^2\int_{-1}^{1}cosh^2(t)dt=\frac{a^2}{2}\int_{-1}^{1}(1+cosh(2t))dt=\frac{a^2}{2}(t+\frac{1}{2}sinh(2t))## for ##t## form ##0## to ##2\pi ##. (I don't know how to type bar with integrating borders in latex...

##\frac{a^2}{2}(t+\frac{1}{2}sinh(2t))=\frac{a^2}{2}(1+\frac{1}{2}sinh(2)-1-\frac{1}{2}sinh(-2))=\frac{a^2}{2}sinh(2)##

OR is it not true that ##cosh^2(t)=\frac{1}{2}(1+cosh(2t)## or do I have some other problems? :/
 
You messed up the constant term. It works out to 1-(-1) = 2, not 1-1=0.
 
True... Thank you vela!
 

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