Catenary - rope hanging between poles

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The problem involves approximating the value of a in the equation y = a cosh(x/a) using Newton's method, with the context of a rope hanging between two poles. The distance between the poles is given as 400 ft, and the sag of the rope is 30 ft.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's method to find the value of a, with one participant questioning the correctness of their function f(a) = a cosh(b/a) - a - S. There is uncertainty about the number of iterations needed and the accuracy of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the method. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of the function for Newton's method, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach or the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clarity regarding the number of iterations for Newton's method and express concerns about the accuracy of their calculations compared to a reference answer in a textbook.

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Homework Statement



Problem is regarding approximating the value of a in y= a cosh(x/a) using Newton's method, and then use a to find the length of the rope.
That equation represents the curve formed by a rope hanging with it's ends attached to poles at a distance 2b.
(cosh() = hyperbolic cosine)

distance between poles = 2b = 400 ft.
sag = S = 30 ft.

Homework Equations



(previously proven eqns)

L = 2 a sinh(b/a)
where L is the length of the rope
a is a physical constant
and 2b is the distance between the poles that the rope is hanging from

S = a cosh(b/a) - a
where S is the sag (vertical distance between highest and lowest points on the rope)
a is a physical constant
2b is distance between poles

The Attempt at a Solution



I am really not sure how to do this, as I do not know how/why Newton's method could be used to get a value for a.
Also, they gave a hint, a clip from the Calc book I am reading: "[Hint: First let u = 200/a]"
 
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How about f(a) = a cosh(b/a) - a - S
 


Is that correct? I didnt put that under at attempted solution because I thought it was not even right since I tried Newton's method on it and it wasn't really homing in on a particular number, or perhaps I messed up with something. I also thought I did it wrong because, first of all the book did not give a hint to how many iterations to do and my answer, after about 4 iterations, was 470 and the answer in the book was about 404 something.
 
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Is that your answer for the value of a, or the value of L? Seems to me like it should work. Maybe you should post your attempt
 

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