Cauchy-Schwarz for two spacelike vectors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality in the context of spacelike vectors within Minkowski space. Participants explore the conditions under which the inequality holds, particularly focusing on the relationship between the vectors and their span concerning the light cone.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that in Euclidean geometry, the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality holds as ##|e\cdot f| \le |e||f|##, while in Minkowskian geometry, the inequality is reversed for timelike vectors and depends on the relationship of spacelike vectors to the light cone.
  • Another participant proposes a method to prove the inequality for spacelike vectors by considering a quadratic polynomial formed from a linear combination of the vectors and analyzing its discriminant to determine the conditions for the inequality to hold.
  • A third participant expresses gratitude for the explanation and indicates a desire to work through the proof for better understanding.
  • A later reply mentions that a discussion of Cauchy-Schwarz and triangle inequalities is included in a book, suggesting that the current case is treated as a homework problem, crediting the previous participant for their argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality for spacelike vectors, and multiple viewpoints regarding the conditions under which the inequality holds are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of spacelike vectors and their relationship to the light cone, which may not be fully explored or defined within the posts.

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You can use the idea of the "usual" proof for the Euclidean case. If ##v## and ##w## are space-like then for any real number ##t## consider the vector ##x=v+tw## and its inner product with itself. You have ##(x,x)=(v+tw,v+tw)=|v|^2+2(v,w)t+|w|^2t^2##. The inequality holds if and only if the discriminant of the quadratic polynomial is negative, if and only if the polynomial has only positive values. So if the inequality hold if and only if the span of the two vectors consists of space-like vectors.
 
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Thanks, martinbn! I'll have to work that out and make sure I understand it.
 
I have a discussion of Cauchy-Schwarz and triangle inequalities now in section 1.5 of my SR book, http://www.lightandmatter.com/sr/ . The case we discussed here is relegated to a homework problem, where I suggest the idea of martinbn's argument (with credit to martinbn) and ask the reader to carry it out.
 

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