Center of Mass Formula: Understanding the Intricacies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of the center of mass in three dimensions as presented in Mary Boas' "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences." Participants explore the reasoning behind her formulation compared to the more common representation found in undergraduate textbooks.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind Boas' definition of the center of mass, noting that it appears to be more complex than the standard formula.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no benefit to Boas' approach, suggesting it is merely a different style.
  • A third participant argues that Boas' formulation is more mathematical and may make the text awkward to read.
  • One participant proposes that Boas' definition allows for calculating the center of mass for any volume within a system, which could be advantageous in specific contexts, such as analyzing subsystems like the moon within the earth-moon system.
  • This same participant suggests that Boas' definition helps avoid ambiguity that might arise in other formulations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and clarity of Boas' definition compared to standard representations. There is no consensus on whether her approach offers significant advantages.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that Boas' formulation may introduce complexity that could be seen as unnecessary, while others highlight its potential benefits in specific applications. The discussion reflects varying preferences for mathematical presentation in physics.

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Hello,

I'm reading Mathematical Methods in the physical sciences by Mary Boas and in it, she defines the center of mass of a body in 3 dimensions

\int \overline {x}dM=\int xdM

\int \overline {y}dM=\int ydM

\int \overline {z}dM=\int zdM

In standard undergraduate textbooks, I've always seen it written as

\overline {X}=\dfrac {1} {M}\int xdM

I guess I don't understand the reasoning behind defining it the way she did. I know that \overline {x} is constant so you can pull it out and you'd just simply get the \int dM, leaving you with the formula that is generally seen in undergraduate texts.

But why write the formula as she did to begin with. Is there a particular benefit to doing so?


Any insight would be great, thanks.
 
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No, there's no benefit to writing it that way. Different style, I guess.
 
Her way is more 'mathematical', which makes her book awkward.
 
I think the advantage is that Boas' form gives the center of mass for any volume in a system, rather than only giving the center of mass for the entire system. For example, when considering the earth-moon system, we might want to calculate the center of mass of the moon and not the center of mass of the system--so you take your volume of integration around just the moon subset of the system, and you get the center of mass for just the subsystem. I guess you could do it like the style of Griffiths E&M and call it Menclosed but Boas' definition automatically clears up that ambiguity.
 
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