Center of mass variable ambiguity

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the equations for calculating the center of mass, particularly in the context of a problem involving a rod and a solid sphere. The original poster is attempting to interpret these equations while also calculating the moment of inertia for the combined system.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions what values to use for the 'x', 'y', and 'z' variables in the center of mass equations. Some participants suggest that these represent the coordinates of points in the body. Others propose using standard moment of inertia formulas instead of integrating.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of how to find the combined center of mass and whether to treat the objects as particles for this calculation. There is a suggestion to calculate the moment of inertia for each object separately and then combine them, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the application of the center of mass equations to a composite system of differing objects, as well as the need to clarify the assumptions behind the integration approach versus using standard formulas.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to understand the equations given in my textbook (Principles of Physics, Ninth International Edition) for finding the center of mass. The equations are given below. They're used to find the x, y, and z components of the center of mass for objects. I'm trying to interpret them in the framework of a problem given to us, where we had to calculate the moment of inertia of a rod of mass M, with a solid sphere of mass 2M attached at the end, with the axis of rotation through the center of the rod and sphere (a rough approximation of a baseball bat).

Homework Equations



{ x }_{ com }=\frac { 1 }{ M } \int { x\quad dm } ,\quad y_{ com }=\frac { 1 }{ M } \int { y\quad dm } ,\quad { z }_{ com }=\frac { 1 }{ M } \int { z\quad dm }


The Attempt at a Solution



The problem is, that I have no idea what to put in for the 'x', 'y' and 'z' variables in the integral equations.
 
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Hi QD311!Welcome to PF! :smile:
QD311 said:
… I have no idea what to put in for the 'x', 'y' and 'z' variables in the integral equations.

That's just the x y and z coordinates of each point in the body.

But why do you want the centre of mass (and why are you integrating)? :confused:

Why not just use the standard moment of inertia formulas for a rod and for a sphere, together with the parallel axis theorem?
 
The Library gives this equation:

I\quad =\quad { I }_{ C }\quad +\quad m{ d }^{ 2 }

Where d is the distance from the combined center of mass. That's where my problem lies, I don't know how to find that combined center of mass. Especially with two objects that aren't the same (a rod and solid sphere in this case). Could I simply treat each object as a particle, of mass M and 2M on an axis (which is the axis of rotation) to find the combined center of mass?
 
QD311 said:
… we had to calculate the moment of inertia of a rod of mass M, with a solid sphere of mass 2M attached at the end, with the axis of rotation through the center of the rod and sphere (a rough approximation of a baseball bat).
QD311 said:
The Library gives this equation:

I\quad =\quad { I }_{ C }\quad +\quad m{ d }^{ 2 }

Where d is the distance from the combined center of mass. That's where my problem lies, I don't know how to find that combined center of mass.

Yes, but that's assuming you already know what Ic is.

You know Ic for a sphere, and you know Ic for a rod, so find I for each separately (about the given axis), and add. :smile:

(the moment of inertia of a composite body is the sum of the moments of inertia of its parts, about the same axis)
 

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