Center of Mass in a system of cylinders

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the center of mass of a composite body consisting of a brass collar and an aluminum bar, with specific dimensions and densities provided. Participants are exploring the calculations necessary to find the height of the center of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the center of mass formula and consider the problem as a one-dimensional issue. There are questions about the calculations of volumes and masses, as well as the interpretation of coordinates in the context of the center of mass.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the calculations and highlighted potential misunderstandings regarding the mass of the collar hole. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of the center of mass formula and the implications of symmetry in the system.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is mention of specific expected outcomes, such as a center of mass height of 27.6 mm, which adds pressure to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A collar brass 50 mm length is mounted on an aluminum bar 80 mm in length (density of brass 8470 kg / m 3 density of aluminum 2800 kg / m 3 ). Find the height to which is the center of mass of the composite body.

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Homework Equations



COM= m1*x1+m2x2/m1+m2


The Attempt at a Solution


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I tried to solve the problem using the coordinates x,y,z, however didn't get a right solution.
The solution must be equal 27.6 mm
Please help with the equations.
Thanks
 
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You can treat this as a 1d problem. Work out the centre of mass of the two objects. You can then work out the centre of mass of the two points by using the mass of the two objects to weight them.
 
If your picture was a little smaller, you couldn't tell what you were doing.

It looks like you calculated the volume of the collar and the bar correctly. What I don't understand is why you have subtracted a mass of 0.2831 kg from the masses of the collar and the bar.

Also, the x values in the equation for the c.o.m. are not the heights of the collar or the bar; the x-values are the x locations of the c.o.m. for each item from the reference.

Since the collar and the bar are symmetrical w.r.t. the y and z axes, your values for the c.o.m. w.r.t. these axes are incorrect. The c.o.m. for a uniformly distributed mass will lie on any axes of symmetry which the mass may have.
 
noffya said:

Homework Statement



A collar brass 50 mm length is mounted on an aluminum bar 80 mm in length (density of brass 8470 kg / m 3 density of aluminum 2800 kg / m 3 ). Find the height to which is the center of mass of the composite body.

vssY5I9kHdQ.jpg


Homework Equations



COM= m1*x1+m2x2/m1+m2


The Attempt at a Solution


ZHMt7UdftMU.jpg




I tried to solve the problem using the coordinates x,y,z, however didn't get a right solution.
The solution must be equal 27.6 mm
Please help with the equations.
Thanks
Your handwriting is unreadable. Please type out the relationships and results you got for the volumes of the two objects and the masses of the two objects.
Chet
 
SteamKing said:
If your picture was a little smaller, you couldn't tell what you were doing.

It looks like you calculated the volume of the collar and the bar correctly. What I don't understand is why you have subtracted a mass of 0.2831 kg from the masses of the collar and the bar.

Also, the x values in the equation for the c.o.m. are not the heights of the collar or the bar; the x-values are the x locations of the c.o.m. for each item from the reference.

Since the collar and the bar are symmetrical w.r.t. the y and z axes, your values for the c.o.m. w.r.t. these axes are incorrect. The c.o.m. for a uniformly distributed mass will lie on any axes of symmetry which the mass may have.


thanks a lot!
I subtracted a mass of 0,2831kg considering it a collar hole.
I will try to make calculation based on all the comments. Hopefully that will lead me to the right solution.
 
noffya said:
thanks a lot!
I subtracted a mass of 0,2831kg considering it a collar hole.
I will try to make calculation based on all the comments. Hopefully that will lead me to the right solution.

There is no need to subtract the mass of the collar hole if you calculated the volume of a cylinder with a hole removed in the first place, which it appears you did.
 

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