Centrifugal force on Earth and deviation of free falling obj

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The discussion revolves around the effects of centrifugal force due to the Earth's rotation on the trajectory of a ball falling from a height. Participants explore the relationship between gravity, centrifugal force, and the deviation of the falling object towards the equator, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects of the phenomenon.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that centrifugal force causes a deviation towards the equator for a ball falling from height, questioning the inertial explanation of this effect.
  • Others challenge this view, seeking references or formulas to support the claim that centrifugal force influences the trajectory of the falling ball.
  • One participant emphasizes that the force of gravity acts towards the center of the Earth, while centrifugal force acts away from the Earth's axis, suggesting that the vector sum of these forces results in a slight southward slant in the perceived direction of fall.
  • Another participant clarifies that gravity indeed has a component that can be interpreted as pulling the ball towards the equator, while centrifugal force does not contribute to this component.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of gravity and centrifugal force on weight measurements at different latitudes, with some noting that weight scales would show different readings at the poles compared to the equator.
  • One participant invites others to visualize the trajectory of the ball, suggesting that it could be represented as an ellipse if considering a high drop from rest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of centrifugal force versus gravity in the deviation of the falling ball. There is no consensus on the explanation of the phenomenon, with multiple competing interpretations remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions of "horizontal" and the interpretation of directions (such as "south") can affect the understanding of the forces at play. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the forces involved and the assumptions made regarding the trajectory of the falling object.

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Centrifugal force due to rotation of the Earth has among its effects the deviation towards the equator of a ball falling from height ##h## vertically on Earth.

I do not understand what is the inertial explanation of this phenomenon. Once the ball is released there is no centripetal force that causes it to curve its path, hence it will move in elliptic trajectory (only due to gravity).

Why does the ball move towards the equator also?
 
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Soren4 said:
Centrifugal force due to rotation of the Earth has among its effects the deviation towards the equator of a ball falling from height ##h## vertically on Earth.
Really ? Do you have a reference or a formula that shows this ?

Once the ball is released there is no centripetal force that causes it to curve its path, hence it will move in elliptic trajectory (only due to gravity).
The Earth pulls on the ball. Isn't that a force towards the center of the Earth ?
 
If you are considering centrifugal force then trajectories, ellipses, curved paths and Coriolis do not enter in. The relevant question is only on the direction of the net force (gravity plus centrifugal).

The force of gravity points directly at the center of the Earth. Centrifugal force points directly away from the Earth's axis. From the perspective of a person standing on the ground in the northern hemisphere, centrifugal force acts at an angle that is slanted up and south. The vector sum of the two forces is almost vertically down. The contribution from centrifugal force means that it slants slightly south -- toward the equator.

The surface of the Earth is itself slanted to be at right angles to the resultant force. The net effect is that the perceived direction of the fall is purely vertical. So, for instance, you will not see the cue ball rolling southward on a pool table because the pool table has been leveled to match the resultant apparent force of gravity.
 
Thanks for the answers!
So actually is gravity that pulls the ball slightly towards the equator?
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In this drawing I marked in red ##\vec{g}## and in green its component. One of this component is vertical and produces a displacement southwards during the fall. Is that correct?
 
Southwards is misleading: the latitude does not change.
Gravity is the only force acting, indeed. It keeps you in a circular trajectory (so you follow the earth), thus fulfilling the job of centripetal force. The remainder is your weight (the force with which you are pulled down towards the center of the earth). So: on the poles a weight scale will show a higher number for you weight than on the equator ! ( But a balance will require the same mass, whether on pole or on equator )
 
Soren4 said:
So actually is gravity that pulls the ball slightly towards the equator?
Gravity has a non-zero component toward the plane containing the equator and the centrifugal force does not. So yes, you could say that gravity is the force that produces a displacement toward the equator.

On the other hand, if you consider "south" as pointing toward the equator in the horizontal direction then gravity has a non-zero northward component while centrifugal force has a non-zero southward component and any southward component in the fall direction traces clearly to the centrifugal force.

Edit: Note that details of the above description can vary depending on exactly what you mean by "horizontal".
 
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Soren4 said:
hence it will move in elliptic trajectory (only due to gravity)
Try to draw that ellipse, for a very high drop from initial rest to the surface.
 

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