Centripetal Force: What Causes the String to Accelerate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a mass attached to a string when released from circular motion. Participants explore the behavior of the string and the forces involved in its motion after the mass is let go, considering various conditions such as the absence of gravity and the mass of the string itself.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that upon release, the mass will move tangentially, and questions how the string behaves in this scenario.
  • Another participant suggests that the string is attached to the mass, implying this connection is sufficient to explain its motion.
  • It is proposed that the tangential velocity varies along the length of the string, with the end attached to the mass moving tangentially while the rest of the string is accelerated by internal forces.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the velocity of the center of mass of the body and string after release, considering the mass of the string relative to the mass of the body.
  • Participants discuss that the string will rotate around the mass rather than simply follow it, with references to examples and previous discussions.
  • There is a query about whether the string will wrap around the mass and how to describe the motion rigorously.
  • One participant asserts that the mass will continue to spin with the same angular velocity after release, and the system will maintain its motion as a rigid body.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether all parts of the system will be at rest with respect to each other after release.
  • It is confirmed that the system will move like a rigid body, maintaining its angular momentum and continuing in a counterclockwise direction after release.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the behavior of the string and the mass after release, with some agreeing on the concept of the string rotating around the mass while others question the specifics of their motion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact dynamics and interactions post-release.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume ideal conditions such as no gravity and a vacuum, which may limit the applicability of their conclusions. The discussion also involves unresolved questions about the mass of the string and its effects on the system's dynamics.

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If I swing around a mass attached to a string, and then suddenly let go, the mass will fly off in a direction tangent to the circle it was swinging around.

My question is, what will happen to the string? I know it will follow the mass on its tangental path, but how do we explain the behavior of the string? What forces cause it to accelerate behind the mass?
 
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It's attached to the mass, right? Isn't that enough?
 
IniquiTrance said:
What forces cause it to accelerate behind the mass?
The tangential velocity varies along the length of the string. The end of the string attached to the mass doesn't accelerate, it flies off tangentially just like the mass. The rest of the string is accelerated by the force within the string, and follows.

Assuming no gravity and vacuum the string will start rotating around the inertially moving mass.

Interesting follow-up question: Assuming no gravity and vacuum again. And that the mass of the string is not negligible compared to the mass of the rotated body: Will the velocity of the center of mass of body+string after release be less, equal, greater than the tangential velocity of the mass at release?
 
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A.T. said:
Assuming no gravity and vacuum the string will start rotating around the inertially moving mass.
The string was already rotating while the mass was being whirled around, before the moment of release.

A good example of how the string would move is the last hammer throw in the youtube video included in this old thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=291199
 
A.T. said:
Interesting follow-up question: Assuming no gravity and vacuum again. And that the mass of the string is not negligible compared to the mass of the rotated body: Will the velocity of the center of mass of body+string after release be less, equal, greater than the tangential velocity of the mass at release?
Lesser. Even in the presence of the centripetal force, the COM's velocity should be lesser than that of the mass's. Right?
 
So the string will rotate around the mass rather than follow it? Will it wrap itself around the mass? How can the motion be described rigorously?
 
IniquiTrance said:
So the string will rotate around the mass rather than follow it? Will it wrap itself around the mass?

No, the mass will spin with the same angular velocity. The mass spins around it's own axis before release with the same rate it orbits the hand.

IniquiTrance said:
How can the motion be described rigorously?
On release, switch to the (now inertial) frame of reference of the mass center of mass+string. The rotation you have there will continue, and the whole system moves at tangential velocity the mass center of mass+string had on release. Which is less than the tangential of the mass itself on release (if string mass not negligible), as sganesh88 said.
 
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Thanks for the response. I'm still trying to picture what would happen though.

I understand that the mass-string system will fly off along the line tangent to the COM's orbit, with the COM's orbital speed.

But will all parts of the system be at rest with respect to each other? Will the string be at rest w/r/t the mass at the end?
 
IniquiTrance said:
But will all parts of the system be at rest with respect to each other? Will the string be at rest w/r/t the mass at the end?
Yes it will move like a rigid body.
 
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Ah, ok.

But since, as you said it has an angular momentum, if say we viewed it from above, it was moving CCW before release, the entire rigid body will continue moving CCW after release, translating along its tangential path?
 

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