(Centripetal Force) Why is this not correct?

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The discussion revolves around a banked curve problem in the context of centripetal force and normal force calculations. Participants are examining the correct application of equations related to forces acting on a car navigating a banked curve.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of using different equations to find the normal force and its components. There is a discussion about the relationship between normal force and gravitational force, as well as the implications of the banking angle on these forces.

Discussion Status

Some participants express understanding of the normal force's relationship to gravitational force, while others point out that the original equation presented may not be appropriate for the scenario. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to resolving forces in this context.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the conditions under which normal force and gravitational force would be equal, specifically when the surface is flat, which adds to the complexity of the problem being discussed.

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There is a banked curve problem asking for the correct angle to keep the car on the road:

http://imgur.com/Ni3j6dB

My teacher said the following equation must be used to find normal force:

F(normal) = F(gravity)/cosθ

Why is it, that you cannot find the x-component of the normal force, by finding normal force with

F(gravity)cosθ = F(normal)

and then using sinθ to find the x-component?
 
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TheExibo said:
There is a banked curve problem asking for the correct angle to keep the car on the road:

http://imgur.com/Ni3j6dB

My teacher said the following equation must be used to find normal force:

F(normal) = F(gravity)/cosθ

Why is it, that you cannot find the x-component of the normal force, by finding normal force with

F(gravity)cosθ = F(normal)

and then using sinθ to find the x-component?
The equation your teacher gave you is correct, in the situation you are describing (trying to find the "banking angle") the normal force will be greater (or perhaps equal to) the force due to gravity, so your equation is incorrect...
 
Now it makes sense, normal force is greater than the cos of geavity. Thanks!
 
TheExibo said:
Now it makes sense, normal force is greater than the cos of geavity. Thanks!
Note that they would be equal if:
\cos(\theta) = 1
ie, the surface was flat...
 
TheExibo said:
Now it makes sense, normal force is greater than the cos of geavity. Thanks!
Yes, but that only demonstrates your equation is wrong, it doesn't explain why it is wrong.
Your equation is presumably obtained by resolving forces normal to the plane, but the resultant (the centripetal force) has a component in that direction, so the full equation would be ##N+F_c \sin(\theta) = mg \cos(\theta)##.
 

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