Centroid of a uniform shape, using area

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the coordinates of the centroid of a uniform area, with participants exploring the mathematical formulation and integration techniques involved in the process.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transition of constants in integrals, questioning how a constant k moves between the numerator and denominator. There are also inquiries about the appropriateness of integrating with respect to x versus y, and the implications of choosing one method over the other.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the importance of maintaining consistent variable usage. Multiple interpretations of the integration approach are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of integrals and the definitions of variables, as well as the potential misinterpretation of constants in the equations. Participants are also addressing the implications of the area being above or below a curve in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Find the coordinates of the centroid of the uniform area.
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Homework Equations


equations for centroid coordinates at the top of my paper.

The Attempt at a Solution


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How does k go from the denominator to the numerator of your integrals as you are evaluating them?
 
Dr. Courtney said:
How does k go from the denominator to the numerator of your integrals as you are evaluating them?
(2/3k)(58.1)
=(.667k)(58.1)
=38.7k
where k is a constant. And i treated the other integral similarly.
 
In one of your steps you basically said ##\sqrt{\frac{y}{k}} =\frac{1}{k}\sqrt{y}##

Also Dr. Courtney's point still stands... it's not 2/3k it's 2/(3k)
 
Nathanael said:
In one of your steps you basically said ##\sqrt{\frac{y}{k}} =\frac{1}{k}\sqrt{y}##

Also Dr. Courtney's point still stands... it's not 2/3k it's 2/(3k)

Ok thanks Dr. Courtney and Nathanael. I now have 38/k. In my final answer the k's cancel out and I am left with the same 7.5/38.7.
 
38.7/k is still not right. It should be 38.7/√k

When you find the x-coordinate of the centroid, you should be integrating with respect to x.
The "dA" in the formula ##\bar x=\frac{1}{A}\int xdA## is the area of the thin strip between x and x+dx.
 
Nathanael said:
38.7/k is still not right. It should be 38.7/√k

When you find the x-coordinate of the centroid, you should be integrating with respect to x.
The "dA" in the formula ##\bar x=\frac{1}{A}\int xdA## is the area of the thin strip between x and x+dx.
Wouldnt it be easier to integrate with respect to y, because of the shaded region is above the curve.
 
It's not about what is easier, it's simply wrong.

When you integrate with respect to y, you are taking horizontal strips of area, right? Well when you find the x-coordinate of the centroid you want to take vertical strips of area. The reason for this is that you want to take strips of area which all have the same x-value, and then multiply them by that x-value. You just can't do this when you integrate w.r.t. y.
 
Nathanael said:
It's not about what is easier, it's simply wrong.

When you integrate with respect to y, you are taking horizontal strips of area, right? Well when you find the x-coordinate of the centroid you want to take vertical strips of area. The reason for this is that you want to take strips of area which all have the same x-value, and then multiply them by that x-value. You just can't do this when you integrate w.r.t. y.
##\bar x=\frac{1}{A}\int xdA##
= ##1/2 \int kx^3dx## does this look ok?
 
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J-dizzal said:
##\bar x=\frac{1}{A}\int xdA##
= ##1/2 \int kx^3dx## does this look ok?
kx2dx is the area under the curve. Try to figure out a way to find the area above the curve.

Also where did the 1/A go? And where did this 1/2 come from? (Are you saying the area is 2?)
 

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