Centrosymmetricity of unit cell or the pattern.?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of centrosymmetry in relation to unit cells and crystal structures, specifically focusing on whether centrosymmetry is a property of the unit cell itself or the larger structures formed by these unit cells. The conversation touches on examples from cubic and tetragonal Bravais lattices and their implications for properties like ferroelectricity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether centrosymmetry is specific to a unit cell or the structures formed by it, using cubic and tetragonal lattices as examples.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of definitions, noting that Bravais lattices are idealizations that are inversion symmetric, but real crystals often are not.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of centrosymmetry for properties like optical activity and x-ray diffraction patterns.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether a cubic structure formed by cubic unit cells is centrosymmetric and questions the centrosymmetry of a cuboid formed from tetragonal unit cells.
  • There is a mention that ferroelectric effects are not evident in centrosymmetric crystals, linking this property to the symmetry of the elementary cell.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between centrosymmetry and the properties of real versus ideal crystals, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the specifics of centrosymmetry in unit cells versus larger structures.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of centrosymmetry and the idealization of Bravais lattices, as well as the unresolved nature of how these concepts apply to real crystal structures.

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i got to ask if the center of symmetry is specific to a unit cell or a pattern or system of specific unit cell? I mean is Cubic (Bravis Lattice) is Centro symmetric or the structures formed by it. As an example, Tetragonal unit cell appears centro-symmetric but forming structures like Tetragonal Scalenohedral crystal lattice makes it non centrosymmetric as shown in the link:
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/symmetry/tetraguc.htm

Any help is appreciated.
 
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First you have to be careful with definitions. A Bravais lattice is an idealization for an infinite crystal. All these lattices are inversion symmetric.
On the other hand, hardly any real crystal is inversion symmetric and obviously this can matter quite trivially, e.g. when two faces related by inversion have different size.
Whether or not an elementary cell is inversion symmetric is of most importance for bulk properties like optical activity or the x-ray diffraction pattern.
 
But, without any such mention, it is said that ferroelectric effect is not evident in Centro-symmetric crystal.
I am just repeating what you have said to be sure i get it.
When we describe properties of any crystal's unit cell we presume that the crystal is infinite, though in real, this is not so.
One more thing, if the (ideal) crystal structure is, let's say, a cube formed by cubic unit cells, then is the structure as a whole Centro-symmetric? And what about a cuboid formed using tetragonal unit cell? Also is it true that the elementary unit cell tetragonal in shape has inversion symmetry or not.
 
Yes, ferroelectricity is a typical bulk property, whence it depends on the symmetry of the elementary cell.
 

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