Chain Rule and Partial Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule and partial derivatives in the context of a mathematical problem involving a function of a single variable, specifically f(x^2 - y^2). Participants are exploring the relationships between the derivatives with respect to x and y.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the function f(x^2 - y^2) and question the equality of the partial derivatives fx and fy. There is an attempt to understand under what conditions these derivatives might be equal, particularly considering that f is a function of a single variable.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the differentiation process, noting that there is only one way to differentiate f. Others are still grappling with the implications of this on the equality of fx and fy, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There are mentions of difficulties in sharing visual aids due to file size limitations, which may affect the clarity of the problem context for some participants.

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Homework Statement


Here is the problem:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64325990/MATH%20253/help.PNG

The Attempt at a Solution


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64325990/Photobook/Photo%202012-05-24%209%2037%2028%20PM.jpg

This seems to be wrong... Since I have fx and fy which I cannot cancel out. Why is this wrong?

I guess it can only cancel is fx = fy but how do I prove that? We don't even know what f is.
 

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You're more likely to get help if you don't make people open different windows to see the problem and what you did. Speaking for myself only, if you aren't motivated enough to at least try to make it easier for me to help, then I'm likewise not motivated enough to provide any help.
 
Mark44 said:
You're more likely to get help if you don't make people open different windows to see the problem and what you did. Speaking for myself only, if you aren't motivated enough to at least try to make it easier for me to help, then I'm likewise not motivated enough to provide any help.

Oh I'm sorry I just thought it would be easier for the people who are not logged onto their physicsforum account. That way they can see it too. I will upload them to the site as well then...

Edit: I tried to upload the other picture but apparently it was too large. Anyone know how to decrease the image size? I don't have photoshop.

Edit: Ok so turns out you can insert images... But the other image is once again too large. Next time I will edit it on my iphone before uploading it to Dropbox.
 
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The partial derivative with respect to x of f(x^2-y^2) is just f'(x^2-y^2)*2x. There's really only one way to take a derivative of f.
 
Dick said:
The partial derivative with respect to x of f(x^2-y^2) is just f'(x^2-y^2)*2x. There's really only one way to take a derivative of f.

Thanks but aren't fx and fy different? Since you can take the derivative of f with respect to both x and y. I reuploaded a new attempt I made and it shoes that they are not equal unless fx = fy. But I don't think fx = fy.
 
theBEAST said:
Thanks but aren't fx and fy different? Since you can take the derivative of f with respect to both x and y. I reuploaded a new attempt I made and it shoes that they are not equal unless fx = fy. But I don't think fx = fy.

f is a function of ONE variable. In your case the value of the variable happens to be x^2-y^2. But there's still only one way to differentiate f. The derivative of f is f'.
 
Dick said:
f is a function of ONE variable. In your case the value of the variable happens to be x^2-y^2. But there's still only one way to differentiate f. The derivative of f is f'.

Oh wow that makes so much sense now, thanks!
 

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