Chain rule problem with partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the chain rule and partial derivatives, specifically focusing on the second order partial derivative of a function z with respect to x, where z is a function of u, and u is a function of x and y.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the product rule and chain rule in deriving the second order partial derivative. There is an exploration of how to correctly apply these rules to arrive at the desired equation, with some questioning the interpretation of terms involved.

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Some participants express understanding of the concepts involved, while others seek clarification on the steps necessary to reach the solution. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider additional derivatives.

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One participant notes the potential for confusion regarding the notation and the need for clarity in expressing the derivatives. There is also a request for a step-by-step solution, indicating a desire for further elaboration on the topic.

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[SOLVED] Chain rule problem with partial derivatives

Homework Statement


Suppose that z = f(u) and u = g(x,y). Show that..

[tex]\frac{\partial^{2} z}{\partial x^{2}}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{dz}{du}[/tex] [tex]\frac{\partial^{2} u}{\partial x^{2}}[/tex] + [tex]\frac{d^{2} z}{du^{2}}[/tex] [tex]\frac{(\partial u)^{2}}{(\partial x)^{2}}[/tex]


Homework Equations


[tex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{dz}{du}[/tex] [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex]

based on the chain rule

The Attempt at a Solution


Based on the first order partial derivative above, I would think that using the product rule we can find the second order partial dervative of z w.r.t. x

Using my intuition, I consider [tex]\frac{dz}{du}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex] like different terms and then apply the product rule.

However, I know this isn't correct because I am supposed to show that in the last term of the question equation we have [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex] squared, rather than just [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex] as I would conclude.

If my attempted solution doesn't make any sense, I'll try to clarify. But it is wrong either way and any help in finding the correct way to get the desired equation would be greatly appreciated.
 
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It might be clearer if you write the whole thing in terms of f and g. But you are on the right track, it's product rule and chain rule put together. When you take another d/dx derivative of dz/du you will get the second derivative of z together with yet another du/dx in addition to the one you've already got, giving you a (du/dx)^2. Do you see that, or do I need to tex it?
 
oh ok...so

the derivative of [tex]\frac{dz}{du}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{d^{2} z}{du^{2}}[/tex] [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex]

because we really are taking the derivative with respect to x.. so basically there was another chain that I didn't see..

is that right?
 
issisoccer10 said:
oh ok...so

the derivative of [tex]\frac{dz}{du}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{d^{2} z}{du^{2}}[/tex] [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex]

because we really are taking the derivative with respect to x.. so basically there was another chain that I didn't see..

is that right?

I think so. There's a chain you didn't see all right. If you get what you were supposed to then you are doing it right.
 
thanks a lot..
 


Would anyone tex the solution in a step by step form please?
Thank you in advance
 

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