Change in Entropy for Isothermal Compression of Ideal Gas

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The discussion revolves around the change in entropy for an isothermal compression of an ideal gas, specifically nitrogen gas. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of entropy change using relevant equations and parameters such as moles, volume, pressure, and temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between specific heat capacities (Cp and Cv) and the ideal gas constant (R). There is uncertainty regarding the correct approach to calculating Cv from γ and how to apply the entropy change equations. Some participants express doubt about the formulas being used and whether they are on the right track.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the relationships between variables and the appropriateness of the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulas for Cv and the change in entropy, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or approach yet.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the application of formulas and the assumptions made about the ideal gas behavior. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on how to derive certain values needed for the calculations.

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Problem statement:
A sample of 8.02 × 10-1 moles of nitrogen gas ( γ = 1.40) occupies a volume of 2.00 × 10-2 m3at a pressure of 1.00 × 105 Pa and temperature of 300 K. It is isothermally compressed to half its original volume. It behaves like an ideal gas. Find the change in entropy of the gas.

Relevant equations:

S2-S1 = Cv loge (P2 / P1) + Cp loge (V2 / V1)

S2-S1 = Cv loge ((P2V2γ) / (P1V1γ))

PV=nRTAttempt at answer:
V2 = 1.00 x 10-2 m3

P2 can be found by P = nRT / V = 2.00 x 105 Pa

I assume Cv must be worked out from γ somehow, but I cannot see how to do this.

Thanks in advance for your help guys!
 
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How are Cp and Cv related to R (the ideal gas constant)?

Chet
 
Cp=Cv+nR surely Cp is needed in order to find Cv?

Im not even 100% certain that I am approaching this question correctly, I feel as though I've hit a bit of a wall with it. Perhaps I am trying to use the wrong formula?
 
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LivvyS said:
Cp=Cv+nR surely Cp is needed in order to find Cv?

Im not even 100% certain that I am approaching this question correctly, I feel as though I've hit a bit of a wall with it.
##C_p/C_v=\gamma##

##C_p-C_v=R##

Two equations, two unknowns.

Chet
 
Incidentally, for a constant temperature process, what is the equation for the change in entropy as a function of the volume ratio?

Chet
 
Oh I see, so you then end up with Cv= R/ γ-1. Very helpful, thanks!
Do you mean S2-S1 = Cv loge ((P2V2γ) / (P1V1γ))?
 
LivvyS said:
Oh I see, so you then end up with Cv= R/ γ-1. Very helpful, thanks!
Do you mean S2-S1 = Cv loge ((P2V2γ) / (P1V1γ))?
No, I mean ##ΔS=nR\ln(V_2/V_1)##

Chet
 

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