Change of sea level in relation to sea ground

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between sea level and the elevation of the sea ground, particularly in the context of gravitational effects and geological features. Participants explore various theories and models related to how local gravity anomalies, the density of underlying materials, and isostatic equilibrium influence sea level variations. The conversation includes both conceptual and technical aspects, with references to geophysical principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of a physics teacher's claim that higher sea ground results in lower sea level due to stronger gravitational force.
  • There is a suggestion that the term 'sea ground' may refer to the seabed, but this remains unclear among participants.
  • One participant explains that the thickness of the water layer above the seabed is not constant and varies due to the geoid's differences from an idealized ellipsoid.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of local gravity anomalies affecting sea level, noting that nearby mountains or glaciers can attract water, raising local sea levels.
  • Some participants discuss the balance between the density of water and rock, and how isostatic equilibrium affects sea level, suggesting that the two effects nearly cancel each other out.
  • There is mention of the complexity of gravitational effects, with one participant noting that gravity varies due to factors beyond just terrain, including the density of rocks below the surface.
  • One participant points out that the correlation between gravity and terrain is poor, referencing NASA findings on gravity anomalies in the ocean.
  • Another participant argues that the gravitational field is influenced by density and that terrain alone does not dictate gravitational variations.
  • Recent research is cited regarding gravity lows in the Indian Ocean, linking them to low-density regions in the mantle and tectonic processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between sea level and gravitational effects, with no consensus reached on the validity of the physics teacher's claim or the implications of local geological features. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of gravitational interactions and the influence of various geological factors, indicating that assumptions about uniformity in sea level may not hold true in all contexts. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of terms like 'sea ground.'

  • #31
That doesn't make sense.

I think that's a trifle harsh.
I didn't even say I agreed with the proposal, I was just trying to clarify it so we are all talking about the same thing.

In particular, unless the local surface of the sea (regardless of how it got there) is coincident with the mean level (yes I know it's the same as the geoid for practical purposes) it will experience a different gravitational acceleration ie stronger or weaker gravity, increasing from A in the direction of B in my diagram.
So if B is below mean sea level as shown then it will experience stronger gravity, simply because it is closer to the centre of the earth. It cannot be any other way.

This has nothing to do with tides or isostacy.

Similarly the sea bed below B is where it is.

My interpretation of the original proposal is that the stronger gravity at B is attributed to the extra height of mass I have noted as L in my diagram.

Again I do not say I agree with this explanation, but I think that was the original point for discussion.
 

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