Change of Variables in L[u]: Hyperbolic Transformation to Wave Operator

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of the operator L[u] defined as a second-order partial differential equation involving time and space derivatives. The context is focused on determining how to change variables to moving coordinates in order to express L[u] in terms of the wave operator, particularly under the condition that L[u] is hyperbolic.

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  • Participants explore the transformation of variables from (x, t) to (x', t') and discuss the implications of using different notations for clarity. There are attempts to apply the chain rule for derivatives and to express the second partial derivatives in terms of the new variables. Some participants question the meaning of "multiple of the wave operator" and express confusion regarding notation.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the transformation process with some participants providing insights into the use of the chain rule and the resulting forms of L[u]. A few participants have verified certain expressions and noted the conditions for hyperbolicity, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of variable transformation and the implications of hyperbolicity in the context of the wave equation. There is mention of standard notation and the potential for confusion with variable names, indicating a need for clarity in communication.

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define [tex]L<u> = a \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial t^2} + B \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x \partial t} + C \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial x^2} = 0 </u>[/tex]

show that if L is hyperbolic then and A is not zero the transofmartion to moving coordinates
[tex]x' = x - \frac{B}{2A} t[/tex]
[tex]t' = t[/tex]
tkaes L into a multiple of the wave operator
now how would igo about changing the variables in L to x' and t'?

i mean i could certainly find out
[tex]\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}[/tex] amd [tex]\frac{\partial t'}{\partial u}[/tex] and use this identity that
[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = \frac{1}{\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}}[/tex]

but I am not sure how to proceed from there
please help
 
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I'm afraid I'm not sure what is meant by "multiple of the wave operator", but when doing these things I use the chain rule procedure like this,

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial u}{\partial x'}\cdot \frac{\partial x'}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial t'}\cdot \frac{\partial t'}{\partial x}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial u}{\partial x'}\cdot \frac{\partial x'}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial t'}\cdot \frac{\partial t'}{\partial t}[/tex]

You can get [tex]\frac{\partial x'}{\partial x},\frac{\partial x'}{\partial t},\frac{\partial t'}{\partial x},\frac{\partial t'}{\partial t}[/tex] from your transformation expressions.

Then you can continue to work out the 2nd partial derivatives and substitute into the original expression for L.

I got,

[tex]L<u> = \left(C - \frac{B^2}{4A}\right)\cdot \frac{\partial ^2 u}{\partial x'^2} + A\cdot \frac{\partial ^2 u}{\partial t'^2} = 0</u>[/tex]
(not checked)
 
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stunner5000pt said:
define [tex]L<u> = a \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial t^2} + B \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x \partial t} + C \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial x^2} = 0 </u>[/tex]
show that if L is hyperbolic then and A is not zero the transofmartion to moving coordinates
[tex]x' = x - \frac{B}{2A} t[/tex]
[tex]t' = t[/tex]


Really I think that x prime, y prime makes it more confussing. Better to let:

[tex]w=x-\frac{B}{2A}t[/tex]

[tex]z=t[/tex]

Easier to follow this way and less likely to make a mistake by forgetting a prime or putting one where one doesn't belong.
 
saltydog said:
Really I think that x prime, y prime makes it more confussing...
Agreed.

Normally, I would use,

[tex]\zeta = \zeta (x,t)[/tex]
[tex]\phi = \phi(x,t)[/tex]
 
Alright, now I understand what's goin' on and I wish for the record to modify my statements above and perhaps help Stunner as well: The use of the notation:

[tex]x^{'}=x-\frac{B}{2A}t[/tex]

[tex]t^{'}=t[/tex]

maintains the standard notation for the wave equation which I'll write in operator notation:

[tex]\left(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2}-v^2\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\right)u=0[/tex]

Fermat stated above which I verified:

[tex]\left(C-\frac{B^2}{4A}\right)\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x'^2}+A\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t'^2}=0[/tex]

or:

[tex]A\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t'^2}+\left(\frac{4AC-B^2}{4A}\right)\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x'^2}=0[/tex]

[tex]A\left[\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t'^2}+\left(\frac{4AC-B^2}{4A^2}\right)\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x'^2}\right]=0[/tex]

[tex]A\left[\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t'^2}-\left(\frac{B^2-4AC}{4A^2}\right)\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x'^2}\right]=0[/tex]

[tex]A\left[\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t'^2}-\left(\frac{\sqrt{B^2-4AC}}{2A}\right)^2\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x'^2}\right]u=0[/tex]

Thus being the wave operator multiplied by A. Note also how this form shows why the requirement that the mixed-partial operator must be hyperbolic, that is:

[tex]B^2-4AC>0[/tex]
 
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