Change of variables/total differential derivation

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The discussion revolves around deriving a specific equation related to total differentials and change of variables in multivariable calculus. Participants are examining the transition from one equation to another, focusing on the manipulation of terms and the relationships between partial derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss grouping and distributing terms in the equations, factoring out differentials, and comparing coefficients. There are questions about how to transition from one form of the equation to another, particularly regarding the increase in the number of terms and the removal of differentials.

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Some participants have provided insights into the manipulation of the equations, while others express confusion about the steps needed to achieve the desired form. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the equations and the coefficients involved.

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Participants note that the original problem is not a traditional homework question but rather an information sheet, which may influence the depth of the discussion and the expectations for clarity in the derivation process.

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I am trying to derive equation 6 from 5 using 1, but I haven't got anywhere. This isn't a homework question, just an information sheet. Can someone show me the steps (no jumps please) on obtaining equation 6. After that, for practice I will attempt df/dv

Thanks
:)
 
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thomas49th said:

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I am trying to derive equation 6 from 5 using 1, but I haven't got anywhere. This isn't a homework question, just an information sheet. Can someone show me the steps (no jumps please) on obtaining equation 6. After that, for practice I will attempt df/dv

Thanks
:)
It's pretty basic.

Group the terms in (5):
First distribute [itex]\displaystyle \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y\text{ and }\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x\ .[/itex]θ

Then factor out du & dv .

[itex]\displaystyle df=\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> \right)du +\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> \right)dv[/itex]



 

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SammyS said:
It's pretty basic.

Group the terms in (5):
First distribute [itex]\displaystyle \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y\text{ and }\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x\ .[/itex]θ

Then factor out du & dv .

[itex]\displaystyle df=\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> \right)du +\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> \right)dv[/itex]




I can easily get to the second equation
[itex]\displaystyle df=\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> \right)du +\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> \right)dv[/itex]

but how does that become equation 6? We've gone from 4 terms to 6 and remove dv and du

Thanks
 
thomas49th said:
I can easily get to the second equation
[itex]\displaystyle df=\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial u}\right|_v<br /> \right)du +\left(<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial v}\right|_u<br /> \right)dv[/itex]

but how does that become equation 6? We've gone from 4 terms to 6 and remove dv and du

Thanks
All that equation 6 gives is the coefficient of du.

The coefficient of dv is similar.

Compare equation 1 with [itex]\displaystyle df=\left( <br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}\right|_v <br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial u}\right|_v <br /> \right)du +\left( <br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y \left.\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}\right|_u <br /> +\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_x \left.\frac{\partial y}{\partial v}\right|_u <br /> \right)dv\ .[/itex]
 
Awesome. I see :)
 

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