Differentiation: rates of change

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the combined electrical resistance of two resistors connected in parallel, described by the equation R = (R1R2) / (R1 + R2). Participants are tasked with finding the rate of change of R given specific rates of change for R1 and R2, as well as their values at a certain moment.

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  • Participants discuss the need to calculate partial derivatives with respect to R1 and R2, questioning how to approach the differentiation given that R1 and R2 are functions of time. There is uncertainty about whether to substitute specific values into the derivatives or treat R1 and R2 as variables.

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Some participants have provided guidance on calculating partial derivatives while emphasizing that R1 and R2 should be treated as variables during differentiation. There is ongoing exploration of how to apply these concepts, with participants seeking clarification on specific steps in the differentiation process.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a focus on understanding the differentiation process without arriving at a final answer.

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1. The combined electrical resistance R of two resistors connected in parallel is ## R = \frac{R1R2}{R1+R2}##, where R, R1 and R2 are measured in ohm. R1 and R2 are increasing at rates of 1 and 1,5 ohm per second respectively. Find the rate of change of R when R1 = 50 ohm and R2 = 75 ohm.

2. Differentiation: rates of change.

3. See attached..

So I'm not sure what the derivative of R1 and R2 would be unless I put in their values of 50 and 75 ohm but then the derivative would be 0? Is it possible to rearrange the given equation?[/B]
 

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DevonZA said:

Homework Statement

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



1. The combined electrical resistance R of two resistors connected in parallel is ## R = \frac{R1R2}{R1+R2}##, where R, R1 and R2 are measured in ohm. R1 and R2 are increasing at rates of 1 and 1,5 ohm per second respectively. Find the rate of change of R when R1 = 50 ohm and R2 = 75 ohm.

2. Differentiation: rates of change.

3. See attached..

So I'm not sure what the derivative of R1 and R2 would be unless I put in their values of 50 and 75 ohm but then the derivative would be 0? Is it possible to rearrange the given equation?[/B]

You need to calculate the partials
\frac{\partial}{\partial R_1} \left( \frac{R_1 R_2}{R_1 + R_2}\right) \; \;\text{and} \;\; \frac{\partial}{\partial R_2}\left( \frac{R_1 R_2}{R_1 + R_2}\right)
as well as ##d R_1 / dt## and ##d R_2 / dt##.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You need to calculate the partials
\frac{\partial}{\partial R_1} \left( \frac{R_1 R_2}{R_1 + R_2}\right) \; \;\text{and} \;\; \frac{\partial}{\partial R_2}\left( \frac{R_1 R_2}{R_1 + R_2}\right)
as well as ##d R_1 / dt## and ##d R_2 / dt##.

How do I calculate the partials? Do I put in the value of R1 when doing ##\frac{\partial}{\partial R1}## ##(\frac{R1R2}{R1+R2})## and same for R2?
##\frac{dR1}{dt}## = +1ohm and ##\frac{dR2}{dt}## = +1.5ohm
 
DevonZA said:
How do I calculate the partials? Do I put in the value of R1 when doing ##\frac{\partial}{\partial R1}## ##(\frac{R1R2}{R1+R2})## and same for R2?
No. R1 and R2 are variables (functions of t). It is only at a particular moment that they have the values below. When you take the partial with respect to one of the variables, you treat the other variable as if it were a constant.
DevonZA said:
##\frac{dR1}{dt}## = +1ohm and ##\frac{dR2}{dt}## = +1.5ohm
 
Mark44 said:
No. R1 and R2 are variables (functions of t). It is only at a particular moment that they have the values below. When you take the partial with respect to one of the variables, you treat the other variable as if it were a constant.

I don't follow. Could you show me the partial for R1?
 
How do I calculate the partials? Do I put in the value of R1 when doing ##\frac{\partial}{\partial R1}## ##(\frac{R1R2}{R1+R2})## and same for R2?
DevonZA said:
How do I calculate the partials? Do I put in the value of R1 when doing ##\frac{\partial}{\partial R1}## ##(\frac{R1R2}{R1+R2})## and same for R2?
I don't follow. Could you show me the partial for R1?
Finding the partial with respect to R1, you treat R2 as if it were a constant. How would you find this ordinary derivative?

$$\frac{d}{dx} (\frac{kx}{x+k})$$
 
DevonZA said:
I don't follow. Could you show me the partial for R1?

Are you saying you do not know how to find the derivative
\frac{d}{dx} \left( \frac{75 x}{75+x} \right) \; ?
 
Final answer attached. Thanks to all who helped.
 

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