Changing AC Frequency: Gareth's Power Supply Query

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The discussion centers around the mechanisms for changing the frequency of an input AC source, particularly in the context of lab power supplies and signal generators. Participants explore both conceptual understanding and the circuitry involved in frequency adjustment.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Gareth seeks clarification on how to change the frequency of an AC source, specifically in lab power supplies.
  • One participant asks for more details regarding whether Gareth is interested in the operation or functionality of a lab signal generator, as well as the frequency range of the AC source.
  • Gareth expresses interest in the conceptual workings of lab signal generators, suggesting that they likely start from a mains frequency and can adjust frequency at the cost of potential difference. He inquires about the types of circuitry used, mentioning the possibility of semiconductor components and asking about classical methods.
  • Another participant explains that AC power is typically converted to DC voltage before further processing. They describe the basic principle of oscillators, emphasizing the need for a resonator element and an amplifier to sustain oscillation. They mention that changing the frequency involves adjusting the resonator, with LC tanks being a fundamental example of resonators.
  • The same participant notes that while modern amplifiers use transistors, classic designs utilized vacuum tubes.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the basic operation of electronic devices and the types of components used in frequency modulation, but does not delve into specific mathematical or technical details that may be necessary for a complete understanding.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electronics, particularly those exploring the functionality of lab power supplies and signal generators, as well as those seeking a conceptual understanding of frequency modulation in AC sources.

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Hi, I'm technically a biologist so talk slowly!

Can anyone tell me, or point me in the right direction of a resource, that explains how you can change the frequency of an input AC source? e.g. in a "lab-pack" power supply.

Thanks very much,

Gareth
 
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Can you be a bit more specific?

Are you talking about a lab signal generator? If so do you want to know how it works or how to operate one? And what is the frequency range of your AC source?
 
Hi,

Yeah like a lab signal generator or anything similar. I'm just thinking conceptually how it works really. Presumably it must take a mains frequency e.g. 50 Hz, but has the ability to adjust the frequency eitherway (also presumably at the expense of the potential difference). I was just wondering what type of circuitry in a basic sense it uses to do that. Its probably a semi-conductor in modern units, but is there a "classical" way to do it?

Thanks.
 
Just like any electronic device, take the AC 50/60 Hz power from the wall outlet and converts it to DC voltage.

So now you have a DC voltage converted from wall's AC and now can do the fancy stuff.

There is thousands of different oscillator designs frankly, but the principle is the same.

Need to have a resonator element. That's something that will actually oscillate when excited with an electric current, but will die down really quick.

Then you need an amplifier that will amplify the resonator and feed some of its output back to the resonator in phase, such that the resonator will oscillate indefinitely.

To change the frequency, you would have to adjust the resonator. There is thousands of different resonator concepts out there. The most basic one is an LC tank. Composed of capacitor and inductor. By changing its values the tank will oscillator at different frequencies.

The amplifier is now made of transistors. The "classic" were the vacuum tubes amplifiers, big and expensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_oscillator
 
Perfect, exactly what I wanted! Thank you!:smile:
 

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