Charateristic equation of a discrete system

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The discussion revolves around calculating the roots of the characteristic equation of a discrete system, specifically in relation to a time constant of 0.03 seconds and a sample period of 0.02 seconds. Participants are exploring whether to use a first-order or second-order equation and are seeking guidance on how to approach the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to use a first-order or second-order characteristic equation and asks for ideas on how to proceed.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the problem statement, noting it seems under-specified and asking for additional details, particularly regarding the order of the characteristic equation.
  • A participant asserts that the original question is complete as stated and mentions the requirement to plot the roots, emphasizing their primary interest in finding the roots.
  • One participant suggests a mathematical approach involving impulse invariant design, proposing a specific form of the impulse response and indicating that the pole locations remain consistent regardless of the order of the system if a certain time constant is required.
  • A later reply confirms a calculation related to the pole location, providing a numerical value and seeking confirmation from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the order of the characteristic equation to use, and there are differing views on the completeness of the problem statement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate the roots.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the lack of specification regarding the order of the characteristic equation and the need for additional details in the problem statement. There is also an assumption that the time constant influences the pole locations, but this is not universally accepted.

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Calculate value(s) of the root(s) of the charateristic equation of a discrete system that correspond(s) to a time constant of 0.03 seconds when the sample period is 0.02 seconds.

I'm not sure if I should use a first order or 2nd order equation. Either/or, why is it? Any ideas on how I should go about it
 
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lmasterz said:
Calculate value(s) of the root(s) of the charateristic equation of a discrete system that correspond(s) to a time constant of 0.03 seconds when the sample period is 0.02 seconds.

I'm not sure if I should use a first order or 2nd order equation. Either/or, why is it? Any ideas on how I should go about it

Welcome to the PF.

Your problem statement seems a bit under-specified, at least for me. Can you please post the full question text? You don't specify the order of the characteristic equation, for example. What other details are you given in this problem statement?
 
that is exactly the question. word for word. nothing less nor more.

I mean, it also states to plot the roots on a graph. but mainly I am looking for the roots
 
Maybe something like this if you were doing impulse invariant design
[tex]h(t)=e^{\frac{t}{\tau}}u(t)[/tex]
[tex]h[n]=e^{\frac{nT_s}{\tau}}u[n]=(e^{\frac{T_s}{\tau}})^nu[n][/tex]
[tex]h[n]\longleftrightarrow \frac{z}{z-e^{\frac{T_s}{\tau}}}[/tex]

so the pole is at [tex]e^{\frac{T_s}{\tau}}[/tex]


I think that the pole locations do not change for a system's characteristic equation regardless of order if it must have a certain time constant. You'll just have repeated poles.
 
ya that's what I got too,

e^-(0.02/0.03) = 0.513
anyone care to confirm?
 
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