Charge Density of wire with potential difference

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The problem involves a charged straight wire and a charged particle moving in its electric field. The original poster attempts to determine the charge density of the wire based on the kinetic and potential energy changes of the particle at different distances from the wire.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster discusses using the relationship between kinetic and potential energy to find the potential difference and subsequently the charge density. Some participants question the treatment of the electric field as constant and suggest integrating to find the potential difference instead.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of how to calculate the potential difference in a non-uniform electric field. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for integration, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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There is a suggestion that calculus knowledge may be necessary to fully understand the integration of the electric field, which may impact the discussion's progression.

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Problem:

Consider a long charged straight wire that lies fixed and a particle of charge +2e and mass 6.70E-27 kg. When the particle is at a distance 1.91 cm from the wire it has a speed 2.80E+5 m/s, going away from the wire. When it is at a new distance of 4.01 cm, its speed is 3.20E+6 m/s. What is the charge density of the wire?

Alright so this is how I approached it but didn't get it right:

The difference in kinetic energy at two given distances should be equal to the opposite difference in potential energy ([tex]\Delta[/tex]K = -[tex]\Delta[/tex]U), which when divided by the given charge of the particle should give the potential difference. Right? ([tex]\Delta[/tex]U = q*[tex]\Delta[/tex]V)

The potential difference is equal to -E*d where d is the distance between the two given points and E is the electric field of the wire given by: lambda/2*pi*epsilon*r.

With these you should be able to solve for lambda but I keep getting the answer wrong and I think its because I'm using the wrong r in the equation for the electric field. I thought r should be the distance from the wire to the farthest given point but I wasn't sure...

Can anyone help?
 
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Without showing your work, I would guess you may be finding the potential incorrectly. It looks like you are treating E as a constant with the expression V=-E*d. Recall,

[tex]V=-\int \mbox{Edr}[/tex]

where r is the perpendicular distance from the wire. Your approach to the problem appears correct.
 
Yes I think I found my problem, I can't use the simplified V = -Ed equation because E is not a uniform electric field in this case.
 
Can you please explain it in more detail ? How do you calculate the potential difference then if you can't consider it a uniforn electric field ? and what is d ?
 
*unicorn* said:
Can you please explain it in more detail ? How do you calculate the potential difference then if you can't consider it a uniforn electric field ? and what is d ?
I'm guessing you don't know calculus. chrisk explained it. You must integrate the electric field as a function of distance. The "d" means "differential". If you don't know calculus, then I don't expect you will have any idea what this means.
 
ok.. nevermind.. i got it.. thanks !
 

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