Charged particle at relativistic velocity

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a charged particle moving at relativistic velocities in a vacuum, particularly focusing on whether it radiates energy and decelerates over time. Participants explore concepts from both special and general relativity, electromagnetic radiation, and the nature of photons.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a charged particle emitting electromagnetic waves should decelerate due to energy loss, but questions arise regarding the perspective of different observers.
  • Another participant asserts that a charged particle moving at constant velocity in any inertial frame does not radiate, challenging the initial assumption of deceleration.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of a charged particle's motion on stationary observers, noting that a changing electromagnetic field can induce acceleration in nearby charges, leading to energy radiation.
  • There is a debate about the distinction between constant speed and constant velocity, particularly in relation to the example of a moon, with some arguing that the moon does not have constant velocity due to its orbital path.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the existence of photons in different inertial frames and whether photons and electromagnetic waves are equivalent.
  • Another participant points out that introducing additional charges complicates the original scenario of a single charge in vacuum, suggesting it leads to different conclusions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the radiation of energy by a charged particle and the conditions under which it occurs. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the implications of relativistic motion and radiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the confusion between acceleration and velocity in the context of radiation, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts within the framework of special and general relativity.

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Imagine a charged particle moving in vacuum with relativistic velocity. It emits electromagnetic wave with some known energy. This energy can be detected and used somewhere else. I guess this energy should come from particle’s kinetic energy, thus particle should slowly decelerate over time.

However, General Relativity states all inertial points of view are identical. If an observer moves near the particle with the same constant speed, he will believe particle stays still and emits no energy. From his point of view, particle should not decelerate.

Will the particle decelerate, after all?

I came up with the following assumption to resolve this paradox: if radio detector exists somewhere nearby, moving electrons n it’s antenna will attract to the moving particle by electromagnetic force, so particle will decelerate. If there is no radio detector nearby, particle will keep its speed.

However, then comes the next question: electromagnetic wave is a photon. Photon can be seen as a particle. Logically, it can not exist for some observers and does not exist for another observer.
 
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A charged particle moving at constant velocity with respect to any inertial frame doesn't radiate.
 
George Jones said:
A charged particle moving at constant velocity with respect to any inertial frame doesn't radiate.
That's going a bit far for the GR forum, do you deny a charged moon would radiate?

On topic, a charge with constant velocity will certainly cause a stationary observer to experience a changing electromagnetic field, and hence induce acceleration of charges in a stationary antenna (i.e., radiation of energy). Presumably there will also be a Lenz back-reaction such that it requires work to hold the charged particle at constant velocity.
 
cesiumfrog said:
On topic, a charge with constant velocity will certainly cause a stationary observer to experience a changing electromagnetic field, and hence induce acceleration of charges in a stationary antenna (i.e., radiation of energy). Presumably there will also be a Lenz back-reaction such that it requires work to hold the charged particle at constant velocity.

OK, so my guess was right. Now, can photon exist in some inertial frame of reference and do not exist in another? Is photon the same thing, as electromagnetic wave?

George Jones said:
A charged particle moving at constant velocity with respect to any inertial frame doesn't radiate.

Quote: "According to Maxwell's equations, a time-varying electric field generates a magnetic field and vice versa."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_waves
 
cesiumfrog said:
That's going a bit far for the GR forum, do you deny a charged moon would radiate?

A moon doesn't have constant velocity. It may have constant speed, but not velocity.

cesiumfrog said:
hence induce acceleration of charges in a stationary antenna (i.e., radiation of energy).

Yes, but when you add these other charges, you change the problem from the OP's single charge in vacuum. Different problem, different answer.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
A moon doesn't have constant velocity. It may have constant speed, but not velocity.
Since we are discussing special and general relativity here I think you should explain why you think that the moon's velocity is not constant.
 
MeJennifer said:
Since we are discussing special and general relativity here I think you should explain why you think that the moon's velocity is not constant.

Because it is not going in a straight line at constant speed, for God's sake!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Because it is not going in a straight line at constant speed, for God's sake!
You seem to be talking about Newtonian mechanics not general relativity.
 
The OP had a simple misconception - confusing acceleration and velocity for when charges radiate. George Jones cleared this up. Why muddy the waters with talk of GR and additional charge distributions?
 

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