Charged Particle Free Fall in Grav Field: Does Anyone Know Answer?

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The discussion centers on whether a charged particle in free fall within a gravitational field emits electromagnetic waves. It explores the implications of the equivalence principle and the perspectives of different observers regarding radiation emission.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a charged particle, being in free fall, should emit electromagnetic waves due to its acceleration.
  • Others argue that, according to the equivalence principle, a freely falling charged particle should not radiate.
  • A participant questions whether radiation is perceived differently by free-falling observers compared to supported observers.
  • It is noted that the question of radiation is not invariant under general transformations involving acceleration, with a comoving observer not detecting radiation while a stationary observer does.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of radiation on the particle's adherence to geodesics, suggesting that radiation involves energy and momentum, which are frame dependent.
  • One participant mentions that a charge with constant proper acceleration does not follow geodesics, while in its non-inertial rest frame, it does not radiate but has a distorted field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a charged particle in free fall emits radiation, with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion remains unresolved, highlighting multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem and the dependence on the observer's frame of reference. There are references to related literature and prior discussions that may provide additional context.

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Will a charged particle, free falling in a gravitation field, emit electromagnetic waves?
From one point of view the charged particle is accelerating and should emit electromagnetic waves.
But from the equivalence principle, I think, it should not.
Does anybody know the answer?
 
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Thanks a lot, somehow I didn't find it myself.
But is it possible that for in free falling observer particle doesn't radiate but for supported observer radiation exists?
I think I have to read the article.
 
lerus said:
I think I have to read the article.
That's not my specialty, so you will know more than I.
 
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This is not at all a trivial problem, but some notable authors have already written papers on this: see some references here: https://inspirehep.net/literature/44837 and a recent Review Article by Øyvind Grøn.

In the end it boils down to the result that the question of whether radiation takes place or not is not invariant against general transformations involving acceleration. A comoving observer does not observe radiation of a freely falling charge, whereas a stationary observer does.
 
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Thank you for the links.

I saw similar results in other places but it is difficult to understand how it is possible that one observer observes radiation when another doesn't. Radiation takes energy and momentum - it means if charge radiates then it will not follow geodesics. But if there is no radiation then it will (I think) follow geodesics.

Anyways, I'll try to read papers that you mentioned.
 
lerus said:
I saw similar results in other places but it is difficult to understand how it is possible that one observer observes radiation when another doesn't. Radiation takes energy and momentum
Energy and momentum are frame dependent as well.

lerus said:
But if there is no radiation then it will (I think) follow geodesics.
Depends on the frame. A charge with constant proper acceleration doesn't follow geodesics (frame invariant fact). But in its non-inertial rest frame it doesn't radiate, it just has a distorted (non-radial field). See image (b) below.

A.T. said:
In that context it might be helpful to use images where the acceleration is constant (b), not changing (a):

figures_fieldlinesofacceleratingcharge-png.png


From: https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.01150
 

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