Charged pendulum in magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around a charged pendulum moving in a magnetic field, with participants exploring the dynamics of the system as described by Newton's laws and the Lorentz force. The context involves analyzing the motion of a charged particle constrained to a path in the xy-plane while subjected to gravitational and magnetic forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the resolution of velocity components and the implications of the Lorentz force on the pendulum's motion. Questions arise regarding the coordinate system used, the need for solving differential equations, and the conditions for determining minimum angular displacement. There is also contemplation about the nature of the magnetic field's effect on the system's energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the coordinate axes and the role of the magnetic field. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of forces and energy considerations, but multiple interpretations and approaches are still being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly concerning the direction of the magnetic field and the constraints on the pendulum's motion. There is an acknowledgment of the need for additional information, such as diagrams, to better understand the setup.

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Homework Statement


The question is in the attached document

Homework Equations


Newton's second law states that F=ma
Charged particle in magnetic field experiences F=Q ( v X B)

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the charge 'Q' is constrained to move along a path in xy-plane in such a way that the distance between origin and the bob is "l", the velocity of the Q can be resolved in horizontal and vertical components. Since the horizontal component of velocity is in the direction perpendicular to the direction of magnetic field it also experiences Lorentz force along the direction to xy-plane.

$$F=-mg\sin(\theta)+BQv$$
Am I going in the right way? Do I need to find the solution for the above differential equation to know the equation of motion. If I take the derivative of equation of motion with theta and equate it to zero, will it give the minimum value of theta in this problem? Am I thinking in the right way? Or is there an elegant alternate approach to this problem?
 

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Muthumanimaran said:
Since the charge 'Q' is constrained to move along a path in xy-plane
The problem statement says the B-field points "up" in the positive z direction, but your statement seems to imply that you are taking "up" as the positive y direction. Can you clarify what the coordinate axes are for this problem? Is there a figure or diagram that goes with the problem? Thanks.
 
Muthumanimaran said:
Am I going in the right way? Do I need to find the solution for the above differential equation to know the equation of motion. If I take the derivative of equation of motion with theta and equate it to zero, will it give the minimum value of theta in this problem? Am I thinking in the right way? Or is there an elegant alternate approach to this problem?
i was just thinking aloud ...if the magnetic field is acting on the charged bob it will give a force which is perpendicular to velocity i.e. it can not do any work..so the energy of the bob should be as its in gravitational field..so how you get a minimum angular displacement.

Moreover i agree with @ Berkemn's comment that the direction of the magnetic field may be clarified...the term vertically up..
 
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drvrm said:
if the magnetic field is acting on the charged bob it will give a force which is perpendicular to velocity i.e. it can not do any work..so the energy of the bob should be as its in gravitational field..so how you get a minimum angular displacement.
Agreed. Maybe the pendulum rod is free to move in more than just a plane (ball hinged top?)...
 

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