Checking assumptions in boundary conditions of double well system

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The discussion revolves around the boundary conditions in a double well quantum system, focusing on the potential and wavefunction characteristics. Participants explore the implications of symmetry in the potential and the resulting wavefunctions, particularly in relation to even and odd solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the wavefunctions for even and odd solutions, questioning the assumptions regarding the coefficients and the nature of the boundary conditions. There is exploration of the transcendental equations derived from applying these conditions and the implications for the values of k and κ.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the validity of certain assumptions, particularly regarding the coefficients of the wavefunctions. Some participants suggest that including sine components may still yield valid even solutions, while others note the need for careful consideration of boundary conditions and their implications on the solutions.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of boundary conditions and the assumptions made about the wavefunctions in a symmetric potential. There is acknowledgment of the need for multiple coefficients to satisfy the conditions, and the discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the nature of the solutions.

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Homework Statement
We are given a potential with a particle confined between two wells (see below). Assume that the wavefunction ##\psi## has the form below, and don't worry about the overall normalization. Apply the appropriate boundary conditions to find an equation ##f_{\pm}(k) = 0## (with no unknowns other than k), where ##\pm## indicates the symmetric and antisymmetric solutions.
Relevant Equations
Schrodinger's Equation. Boundary Conditions.
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The idea here (as I'm told) is to use the boundary conditions to get a transcendental equation, and then that transcendental equation can be solved numerically. So I'm making a few assumptions in this problem:
1. The potential ##V(x)## is even, so the wavefunction ##\psi(x)## is either even or odd so that ## |\psi|^2## is even.
2. ##k## and ##\kappa## can be treated as one unknown, as they're both related to the energy.
3. I am assuming that the symmetric and antisymmetric solutions (represent by the ##\pm##) mean even and odd. Because of this, my representation of the even solution to the wave function is:

$$ \psi_{even}(x) =
\begin{cases}
A_1 \cos(kx), & -a - \frac {b} {2} \leq x \lt \frac {-b} {2} \\
A_2(e^{\kappa x} + e^{-\kappa x}), & \frac {-b} {2} \leq x \lt \frac {b} {2} \\
A_1 \cos(kx), & \frac {b} {2} \leq x \leq a + \frac {b} {2}
\end{cases}$$

And the odd solution:
$$ \psi_{odd}(x) =
\begin{cases}
B_1 \sin(kx), & -a - \frac {b} {2} \leq x \lt \frac {-b} {2} \\
A_2(e^{\kappa x} - e^{-\kappa x}), & \frac {-b} {2} \leq x \lt \frac {b} {2} \\
B_1 \sin(kx), & \frac {b} {2} \leq x \leq a + \frac {b} {2}
\end{cases}$$

Essentially, my reasoning is that for the even solution, the middle part with exponentials must be even and the ends must be even as well, so the odd part (the ##B_1## on the ##\sin(kx)##) should be 0, and analogous reasoning for the odd solution.
Then because I know a given solution is even or odd, I know that the coefficients should be the same on ##-a - \frac {b} {2} \leq x \lt \frac {-b} {2}## and ## \frac {b} {2} \leq x \leq a + \frac {b} {2} ##. This, I believe, allows me to only have to apply boundary conditions on one side of the potential.

However, when I start applying the boundary conditions, I run into an issue. The 3 boundary conditions I'm using are continuity of ##\psi(x)## and ##\frac {\partial \psi} {\partial x}## at ##x = \frac {b} {2}##, as well as ##\psi(x)## being 0 at ##x = a + \frac {b} {2}## (this is for the even solution).

If I apply those first two boundary conditions, I seem to get a transcendental equation for k...
$$A_2(e^{\kappa \frac b 2} + e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}) = A_1 \cos(k \frac b 2) $$
$$ \kappa (e^{\kappa \frac b 2} - e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}) = -k A_1 \sin(k \frac b 2) $$

Dividing these two gives me $$ \frac {1} {\kappa} \frac {e^{\kappa \frac b 2} + e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}} {e^{\kappa \frac b 2} - e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}} = - \frac {1} {\kappa} \cot(\frac {kb} {2}) $$

But the first boundary condition gives me a totally different value of k!
$$A_1 \cos(k(a + \frac b 2)) = 0$$
$$k(a + \frac b 2) = \frac {n \pi} {2} $$

That last line, I'm pretty sure, is not the solution to k. So I'm wondering if one of the assumptions I made earlier is flawed. Perhaps it's not safe to assume that ##B_1=0## for the even solution? But I would think any odd components need to vanish in the symmetric solution...
 
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baseballfan_ny said:
Perhaps it's not safe to assume that ##B_1=0## for the even solution?
But I would think any odd components need to vanish in the symmetric solution...
[Edited to provide a simpler example]: Graph ##\sin(x)## for positive ##x## and then flip the graph about the y axis. You get an even function ##y= \sin|x|##. The "component" of this even function for positive ##x## is ##\sin(x)##. So, ##\sin(x)## can be a component of an even function.
 
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But for ##0<E<V_0## the solution in region 1 is of the given form (superposition of cos and sin). Since the potential is parity invariant, you can look for even and odd functions (parity eigenfunctions), and this is a good idea, because it simplifies the solution of the boundary conditions.

I think the OP is right (I've not checked all the equations in detail though). The condition for ##k## looks right, and for each ##n## (which must be odd of course, i.e., ##n \in \{1,3,5,\ldots \}## ), you can look for ##\kappa##, given the transcendent equation connecting ##\kappa## with ##k##.
 
vanhees71 said:
But for ##0<E<V_0## the solution in region 1 is of the given form (superposition of cos and sin). Since the potential is parity invariant, you can look for even and odd functions (parity eigenfunctions), and this is a good idea, because it simplifies the solution of the boundary conditions.
Yes, I agree. But including a ##\sin(x)## component in the region ##b/2 < x < a+b/2## can still lead to an even solution for ##\psi##.

vanhees71 said:
I think the OP is right (I've not checked all the equations in detail though). The condition for ##k## looks right, and for each ##n## (which must be odd of course, i.e., ##n \in \{1,3,5,\ldots \}## ), you can look for ##\kappa##, given the transcendent equation connecting ##\kappa## with ##k##.
As the OP has shown, if you do not include a ##\sin(x)## component in the region ##b/2 < x < a+b/2##, then ##k## is determined solely from the condition ##\psi(a+b/2) = 0##. Since ##k = \frac{1}{\hbar} \sqrt{2mE}##, this means that ##E## would be determined independently of ##V_0##. Since ##E## would then be known, ##\kappa## would be determined from ##\kappa = \frac{1}{\hbar} \sqrt{2m(V_0-E)}## without using the transcendent equation. There is then no freedom left to satisfy the transcendent equation.
 
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That's right. I didn't think carefully enough!
 
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Why not \psi_2(x) = A_2\cosh(\kappa x) rather than \psi_2(x) = A_2(e^{\kappa x} + e^{-\kappa x}) = 2A_2\cosh(\kappa x)? And similarly with \cosh replaced by \sinh for the odd case. (This query is mainly directed at the question-setter rather than the OP.)

baseballfan_ny said:
If I apply those first two boundary conditions, I seem to get a transcendental equation for k...
$$A_2(e^{\kappa \frac b 2} + e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}) = A_1 \cos(k \frac b 2) $$
$$ \kappa (e^{\kappa \frac b 2} - e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}) = -k A_1 \sin(k \frac b 2) $$

I think you've lost an A_2 somewhere.

Dividing these two gives me $$ \frac {1} {\kappa} \frac {e^{\kappa \frac b 2} + e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}} {e^{\kappa \frac b 2} - e^{-\kappa \frac b 2}} = - \frac {1} {\kappa} \cot(\frac {kb} {2}) $$

I think doing the division the other way is more natural: <br /> \kappa \tanh(\kappa b/2) = -k\tan(kb/2) = ik\tanh(ikb/2). But yes, as others have noted, you have three conditions to satisfy so you need three unknown coefficients. \psi_2 is defined on a symmetric interval about zero so to be even the coefficient of sinh must vanish, and hence the third coefficient can only be the coefficient of sine in \psi_1(x) = \psi_3(-x). Your transcendental equation then comes from the requirement that the determinant of the 3x3 matrix to be inverted to find A_1, B_1, and A_2 must vanish if zero is not to be the unique solution for the coefficients.
 
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