Chemical Thermodynamics: CO2 dissolves in water, find molality and pH.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dissolution of carbon dioxide in water and its subsequent reaction to form carbonic acid, focusing on calculating the molality of carbonic acid and bicarbonate ions, as well as determining the pH of the solution. The context is a homework problem related to chemical thermodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) presents a calculation for the molality of carbonic acid and bicarbonate ions, using Gibbs free energy values and the equilibrium reactions involved.
  • The OP expresses concern that the calculated pH of 3.18 is too acidic compared to expected values for rainwater, suggesting a possible oversight in accounting for the dilution of carbonic acid.
  • Some participants suggest dividing by molality in the calculations, although it is unclear how this would affect the results.
  • There are multiple posts discussing the appropriateness of reviving old threads, with some arguing that it can still be useful for others searching for similar information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations or the implications of the OP's findings. There is also disagreement regarding the appropriateness of posting in older threads.

Contextual Notes

The OP's calculations depend on specific assumptions about the reactions and concentrations involved, which may not be fully addressed. The discussion does not resolve the potential oversight regarding the dilution of carbonic acid.

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Homework Statement


When carbon dioxide "dissolves" in water, essentially all of it reacts to form carbonic acid, H2CO3:

CO2(s) + H2O(l) <--> H2CO3(aq).

The carbonic acid can then dissociate into H+ and bicarbonate ions,
H2CO3(aq) <--> H+(aq) + HCO3-(aq).

Consider a body of otherwise pure water that is in equilibrium with the atmosphere near sea level, where the partial pressure of carbon dioxide is 3.4 x 10-5 bar (aka 340 ppm). Calculate the molality of carbonic acid and of bicarbonate ions in the water, and determine the pH of the solution. Note that even 'natural' precipitation is somewhat acidic.

Homework Equations


At 298 K and 1 bar:
\Delta G of H_{2}CO_{3}(aq) = -623.08 kJ
\Delta G of CO_{2}(g) = -394.36 kJ
\Delta G of H_{2}O(l) = -237.13 kJ
\Delta G of H^{+}(aq) = 0 kJ
\Delta G of HCO_{3}^{–}(aq) = -586.77 kJ

The Attempt at a Solution



Molalilty of carbonic acid:
First reaction \Delta G = 8.41 kJ.
m = (P/P_o)e^{-\Delta G / RT}
m = (3.4 x 10^(-4) bar)/(1 bar) * e^{\frac{-8.41 x 10^3 J}{(8.315 J/mol k)* 298 K}}
m = 1.141 x 10^{-5} mol/kg

Molality of Bicarbonate ions:
Second reaction: \Delta G = 36.31 kJ.
m_{H^{+}} m_{HCO_{3}^{–}} = e^{-\Delta G / RT}
m_{H^{+}} m_{HCO_{3}^{–}} = \displaystylee^{\frac{-36.31 x 10^3 J}{(8.315 J/mol k)*298 K}}
m_{H^{+}} m_{HCO_{3}^{–}} = 4.3247 x 10^{-7}
Since one of each ion comes out of every carbonic acid molecule, we must have:
m_{H+}=m_{CO_{3}^{–}} = sqrt{(4.3247E{-7})} = 6.576E{-4} mol / kg.

Then the pH is:
pH = –log_{10}(m_{H^{+}}) = –log_{10}(6.576 x 10^{-4}) = 3.18

This all seems well and good, but the final answer for pH that I'm getting is hugely acidic. And the problem says that we should get something just slightly acidic, since this is like rain water. I sense that the issue might be that when I calculate the molality of the bicarbonate ions, I'm not taking into account the fact that the carbonic acid was already really dilute. But I don't know how I would take that into account. Help please?

Thanks!
 
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divide by molality in equation below \displaystylee is my guess.
 
marty99 said:
divide by molality in equation below \displaystylee is my guess.
Please don't necropost to these old threads. The OP hasn't been seen on PF in more than 3 years and is long gone.
 
SteamKing said:
Please don't necropost to these old threads. The OP hasn't been seen on PF in more than 3 years and is long gone.
what's the harm. someone might google this the way i did, it's not necessarily for OP.
 
marty99 said:
what's the harm. someone might google this the way i did, it's not necessarily for OP.
Yeah, but the folks running PF don't like having old threads dredged up.
 

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