Choosing Between Mathematics and Physics for Undecided Students

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a student's dilemma in choosing between studying mathematics and physics at university. Participants explore various factors influencing this decision, including personal interests, job prospects, parental expectations, and the nature of each field.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a strong interest in both mathematics and physics but feels restricted by parental expectations and seeks guidance on which to choose.
  • Some participants inquire about the student's prior experience with rigorous mathematics and physics, suggesting that this could inform their decision.
  • Several suggestions are made regarding the exploration of both subjects through challenging textbooks to gauge interest and engagement.
  • Job prospects are discussed, with questions raised about which degree might offer better employment opportunities, particularly for those not interested in research.
  • Concerns about parental expectations and the potential disappointment of choosing engineering are voiced, alongside the suggestion that engineering may provide better job prospects.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of pursuing a joint degree or taking courses in both fields to maintain flexibility in their academic path.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of personal satisfaction in choosing a major over external pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on which field is preferable. There are competing views on the importance of job prospects versus personal interest, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for the student.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the influence of parental expectations and the potential impact on the student's choice of major. There is also uncertainty about the specific challenges and experiences associated with engineering as a field of study.

  • #31
JA123 said:
Also, does anyone know how much coursework is in engineering on average? If there is a lot, then I may have to rethink it...

It is a lot. If you're not prepared to work hard, don't bother going into STEM.
 
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  • #32
micromass said:
It is a lot. If you're not prepared to work hard, don't bother going into STEM.
Ah, okay. Which engineering branch is the most mathematical? I believe that that is the one I would like to study.
 
  • #33
JA123 said:
Ah, okay. Which engineering branch is the most mathematical? I believe that that is the one I would like to study.

I believe that would be Electrical Engineering. The math will be very different from a math major however, and the philosophy behind the math will be different for sure.

I don't think it's a good idea to go into EE because of the math. You should try to get to know the different branches of engineering and see which one has the most interesting applications/work. Just because you like math, doesn't mean you should go into EE.
 
  • #34
micromass said:
I believe that would be Electrical Engineering. The math will be very different from a math major however, and the philosophy behind the math will be different for sure.

I don't think it's a good idea to go into EE because of the math. You should try to get to know the different branches of engineering and see which one has the most interesting applications/work. Just because you like math, doesn't mean you should go into EE.
Hmmm. What about Chemical? To me, that sounds as interesting, if not more so, than Electrical.
 
  • #35
Well, you'll need to look up what it is chemical engineers study. What it is that they do for a job. What the job prospects are. You will want to know stuff like that first before you can make an informed decision.
 
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  • #36
micromass said:
Well, you'll need to look up what it is chemical engineers study. What it is that they do for a job. What the job prospects are. You will want to know stuff like that first before you can make an informed decision.
I have, and I do find it very intruiging. Do you think that a graduate degree is nessecary to work as an engineer?
 
  • #37
JA123 said:
Do you think that a graduate degree is nessecary to work as an engineer?

No.
 
  • #38
micromass said:
No.
Ah then. Is it possible for me to do a Bachelor of Engineering, then commence higher studies in say, Physics?
 
  • #39
No. If you want to do grad school in physics, you should have sufficient knowledge of an undergrad in physics. It is very difficult for an engineer to get this understanding.
Also, why do you want higher studies in physics if you hate research?
 
  • #40
micromass said:
No. If you want to do grad school in physics, you should have sufficient knowledge of an undergrad in physics. It is very difficult for an engineer to get this understanding.
Also, why do you want higher studies in physics if you hate research?
Something to do. Interest. Things like that. I know it sounds strange, but that is how I feel.
 
  • #41
micromass said:
No. If you want to do grad school in physics, you should have sufficient knowledge of an undergrad in physics. It is very difficult for an engineer to get this understanding.
Also, why do you want higher studies in physics if you hate research?
You might change your mind or your feeling about research. You feel you want to avoid research now, but you are still too young and you have much education to go through, and that can change you.
 
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  • #42
JA123 said:
I'm beginning to think that Engineering is the way to go. And sorry for the IQ thing, it's just that my intelligence is really my only positive trait, so I tend to display it more than I should ;)

A random number that means nothing is your only positive trait? Surely not. I would hope you're just young and naive, and will soon realize the arbitrary nature of an "IQ score."

I also think you're too young to go to university, myself, especially if you haven't really came up with an idea of what you want to do yet. This decision is important.

I see you keep saying "science or technical is all I can do." Is this your parents talking, or you? What interests you? Research doesn't, you like applications, okay. Engineering would be a solid choice like mircomass is suggesting, but beyond that, you don't have anything you're passionate about? Is going to school for math or science your way of inflating your ego (showing people how smart you are) or sense of self worth? It sure seems like it from the thread. If it is, don't bother.

Something to do. Interest. Things like that. I know it sounds strange, but that is how I feel.

If you don't like research, think it's "icky", don't bother going to graduate school in physics, or math I'm assuming "because it's something to do." You'll want to pluck your eyeballs out with a fork in short order.
 
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