CIRCUIT ANALYSIS: 3 Resistors, 3 Voltage Src, 1 Current Src - Find v1, v2, v3

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the node voltages V_1, V_2, and V_3 in a circuit with three resistors, three voltage sources, and one current source. Participants explore the application of Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL), Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL), and the relationships between voltages in the circuit.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that V_2 = 42 V based on their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that V_2 should actually be 12 V, indicating a potential error in the first participant's reasoning.
  • A third participant questions the treatment of the voltage sources connected to node V_2, implying that the initial analysis may overlook important connections.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of reference nodes in circuit analysis, arguing that the value of V_2 can change depending on the chosen reference point. They provide examples of how V_2 can be expressed in terms of V_1 and V_3, indicating that the relationships are not straightforward.
  • The same participant warns against the misconception that voltages simply add together in this context, suggesting that an inconsistent circuit could arise if all sources are treated as ideal without proper reference considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct value of V_2, with multiple competing views presented regarding its calculation and the implications of reference nodes in the circuit analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the reference node chosen for voltage measurements, which affects the calculated values of V_2. The discussion highlights the complexity of circuit analysis and the potential for different interpretations based on circuit configuration.

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Homework Statement



Find the node voltages [itex]V_1[/itex] through [itex]V_3[/itex] in the circuit below.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2240/chapter3problem328an.jpg

Homework Equations



KCL, KVL, V = i R, super-node

The Attempt at a Solution



I added 5 currents and 2 KVL loops.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3699/chapter3problem32part24yt.jpg

[tex]V_2\,=\,42\,V[/tex] <----- Right?

Now I do KVL loop 1

[tex](-12\,V)\,+\,(20\,V)\,+\,V_3\,=\,0\,\,\longrightarrow\,\,V_3\,=\,-8\,V[/tex]

And KVL at loop 2

[tex](-20\,V)\,+\,(10\,V)\,+\,(V_1\,-\,V_3)\,=\,0\,\,\longrightarrow\,\,V_1\,-\,V_3\,=\,10\,V[/tex]

[tex]V_1\,-\,(-8\,V)\,=\,10\,\,\longrightarrow\,\,V_1\,=\,2\,V[/tex]

Does that seem right?
 
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i think you meant V2=12V. otherwise correct
 
What about the 10 V and the 20 V that are also connected to node [itex]V_2[/itex]?
 
your statement represents a common mistake/misconception about circuit theory... when we talk about V2 we actually mean V2 with respect to (w.r.t.) the ground we are chosen (that's why I say this all the time), because if you choose a different ref node, value of V2 can change. For example, if you choose V3 to be your ref node (ie. ground), then V2 will have the value of 20V.
you get V2=12V for this daigram because, you see that the potential difference between V2 and ref node is V2-0 = 12 so V2 =12.
Now, you could also say
V2-V3=20 => V2 = 20+V3 (with V3 still unknown as this stage)
or
V2-V1=10 => V2 = 10+V1 (V1 too is unknown)

note that they never quite "add together", in fact if V1 and V3 are connected directed to ground, you have an inconsistent circuit...because all sources in circuit theory are assumed to be ideal.

anyway, if you sub V1, V3 you calculated into those equations above, you will find that all gives V2=12
 

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