Circuit analysis - two sources of emf

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving a 12 V battery and a charging unit with an emf of 15 V. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the potential difference (p.d.) across the charging unit and the battery, particularly why the p.d. of the charging unit must also be 12 V despite its higher emf.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the reasoning behind the p.d. of the charging unit being equal to that of the battery. Some participants explore the implications of the circuit configuration and the behavior of ideal voltage sources.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's question, providing insights into the nature of voltage sources and potential differences. There is an exploration of the circuit dynamics, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's confusion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to Kirchhoff's laws and the characteristics of ideal voltage sources, indicating a focus on circuit theory principles. The original poster's understanding of the problem context is still developing, as indicated by their request for clarification.

Miss_e101
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Hello all!

I'm confused about an explanation that my textbook gives, and I'm wondering if someone can help me understand it. The passage is as follows:

A circuit consists of a 12 V battery with negligible internal resistance, in parallel with a charging unit with an emf of 15 V and internal resistance of 0.5 ohms. These two components provide power for all the car's electrical equipment.

The car's battery maintains an emf of 12 V across it, because of its negligible internal resistance. Hence, the terminal p.d. of the charging unit must also be 12 V. This implies that 3 V must be "lost volts" across the internal resistance of the charging unit. Since its internal resistance is 0.5 V, there must be a current of 6 A supplied by the charging unit.


I'm confused specifically with the underlined statement - why does the p.d. of the charging unit have to be 12 V as well? Is it because the battery is actually powering the charging unit? Why then does it have an emf of 15 V?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Miss E.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Welcome to PF!

Please take some time to read the site guidelines. We ask that all homework questions be formatted using the homework template so we can gauge your understanding.

With respect to your question, the charging unit is trying to charge the battery. A car battery is used primarily to start the car and after that the engine powers a generator to keep the battery charged and to supply the necessary amperage to power the cars electrical system. There should be no drain on the battery.
 
Last edited:

Homework Statement


Hello all!

I'm confused about an explanation that my textbook gives, and I'm wondering if someone can help me understand it. The passage is as follows:

A circuit consists of a 12 V battery with negligible internal resistance, in parallel with a charging unit with an emf of 15 V and internal resistance of 0.5 ohms. These two components provide power for all the car's electrical equipment.

The car's battery maintains an emf of 12 V across it, because of its negligible internal resistance. Hence, the terminal p.d. of the charging unit must also be 12 V. This implies that 3 V must be "lost volts" across the internal resistance of the charging unit. Since its internal resistance is 0.5 V, there must be a current of 6 A supplied by the charging unit.


I'm confused specifically with the underlined statement - why does the p.d. of the charging unit have to be 12 V as well? Is it because the battery is actually powering the charging unit? Why then does it have an emf of 15 V?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Miss E.

Homework Equations


Kirchoff's laws

The Attempt at a Solution


n/a
 
Thank you, I've moved the question to the proper forum.
 
Miss_e101 said:
why does the p.d. of the charging unit have to be 12 V as well?
Let the terminals of the charging unit be A and B, those of the battery be C and D, with A connected to C, B connected to D.
You know the potential difference between C and D, independently of current. You can take the resistances of AC and BD to be very low. If the p.d. between A and B exceeds that between C and D, what does that tell you about the currents in AC, BD?
 
The keyword here is "terminal". You have an ideal voltage source in the form of a battery, and whatever points it is connected across are forced to a P.D. of 12V. Being almost ideal, the battery can sink (and source) whatever current you ask of it, all the while maintaining that steady 12V across its terminals.

In practice you need to ensure the circuit it is connected to includes some resistance, otherwise there will be nothing to limit the battery's current to a safe, finite value.
i0om5.gif
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K