Circular motion of a loop-the-loop machine

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving circular motion, specifically analyzing the minimum speed required for a cart to safely complete a loop-the-loop in a machine with a given radius.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate kinetic energy (KE) and gravitational potential energy (GPE) but expresses uncertainty about the appropriate formula, particularly due to the absence of mass. Other participants suggest considering energy conservation and the need for excess velocity at the top of the loop, while noting that mass cancels out in the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different aspects of energy conservation and the dynamics of circular motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, and the necessity of maintaining velocity at the top of the loop.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of ignoring friction in the energy considerations, and the discussion includes the implications of mass in the context of the problem.

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A loop-the-loop machine has radius R of 18m.
a)What is the minimum speed at which a cart must travel so that it will safely loop the loop?

I am unsure which formula to use as I know it has something to do with KE and GPE. I was thinking it might be :

v = square root ____(2GM)______
r

but it can't be as we don't the mass.

any ideas?
 
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Hi there busted and welcome to PF,

Your an the right tracks with energy. Energy must be conserved, ignoring friction all the kinetic energy at the bottom of the loop will be converted into potential energy and the top of the loop. Therefore, at the minimum speed the initial kinetic energy must equal the potential energy at the top of the loop. Do you follow?
 
The trick to this is to remember it needs to have some excess velocity (and therefore KE) to get round, it can't have v=0 at the top, else it would fall vertically. The constraint for the particle at the top of the turn is centripetal acc=g.

Also, the mass cancels.
 
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thanks guys i'll have a go working it out
 

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