Circular waveguide wave-equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the wave-equation, specifically the Helmholtz equation, in cylindrical coordinates. The original poster has separated the equation into three ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and is focusing on the phase differential equation, questioning why the parameter 'm' must be an integer and whether phases are quantized.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the phase solution and its continuity requirements. The original poster seeks clarification on the quantization of 'm' and its relation to the periodicity of the angular coordinate phi. Others discuss the mathematical reasoning behind the need for 'm' to be an integer to maintain continuity at 2π.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants questioning and clarifying the reasoning behind the integer nature of 'm'. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the phase continuity and the integer requirement, but there is no explicit consensus on the deeper implications of quantization.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the wave equation in cylindrical coordinates, with specific focus on the implications of periodic boundary conditions and the nature of the solutions. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding the relationship between angular coordinates and the quantization of 'm'.

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I am solving the wave-equation (more specifically Helmholtz Eq.) in cylindrical coordinates.
I've separated the equation into 3 ODE's.
- The radial differential equation
- The phase differential equation
- The z differential equation (direction of which the EM wave propagates)

My issue is the solution to the phase's differential equation. It has the simple solution:
Ae^{im\phi}+c.c. (easy to prove).

Why is 'm' an integer?
Are the phases 'quantised'?

I've read in many books that m must be an integer to allow continuity at 2\pi, but that's as far as they go...I'm very confused...
 
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Ae^{im\phi}+c.c. is just 2Acos(m*phi) (at least if A is real). As phi is an angular coordinate then the value of the solution at phi must equal to the value of the solution at phi+2pi because they represent the same point. Hence, m is an integer. The phase isn't quantized, 'm' is quantized by the requirement that solution be single valued.
 
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Your exact explanation to 'm' is what's confusing me...
I understand that phi must equal phi+2pi, but how do you go about saying that m*phi allows the relation (or phase continuity) phi+2pi to be satisfied??
 
n0_3sc said:
Your exact explanation to 'm' is what's confusing me...
I understand that phi must equal phi+2pi, but how do you go about saying that m*phi allows the relation (or phase continuity) phi+2pi to be satisfied??

The condition

\cos[m (\phi + 2 \pi)] \equiv \cos[m \phi + 2 m \pi] = \cos[m \phi]

can be satisfied only if m is integer.

Eugene.
 
Thanks Eugene, I was thinking about the problem in too much depth.
 

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