Clarification About Heating Metals (basics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the heating of solid metals, specifically addressing temperature changes during different phases: when heating below the melting point, during melting, and after complete melting. The context is a physics prelab homework assignment.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when heating a solid metal much below its melting point, the temperature would not rise because the heat is used to break the bonds holding the metal solid.
  • Another participant questions this view, implying that the metal should indeed get hotter when a flame is directed at it.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake in the initial claim, stating that the temperature would increase until reaching the melting temperature, remain constant during melting, and then increase again after complete melting.
  • There is a question raised about what happens to the temperature after the metal completely melts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the temperature behavior of metals when heated, particularly regarding the initial phase below the melting point and during melting. The discussion remains unresolved with competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the definitions of temperature changes during phase transitions that are not fully clarified, and the discussion does not resolve the specifics of temperature behavior during these phases.

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Homework Statement


So i have a few scenerios on my physics prelab that I want to clear up and understand.

1) What happens to the temperature when you heat up a solid metal much below its melting point?
2) What about when the solid metal starts to melt (and you are heating it still)?
3) What about when the solid completely melts?

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The Attempt at a Solution


1) I think that the temperature wouldn't rise. This is because all the heat is going into breaking up the bonds that make the steel solid. So, the temperature should stay constant.

2) The temperature would rise. This is because in the melting phase, the object's temperature would have the opportunity to rise as the solid has broken down.

3) the temperature would go back to constant. The heat is used to get the temperature up to the next phase change (just like in the first scenario)
 
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In (1), you are saying that when you direct a flame onto a block of metal, the metal doesn't get hotter?

"much below" means "way below"
 
NascentOxygen said:
In (1), you are saying that when you direct a flame onto a block of metal, the metal doesn't get hotter?

"much below" means "way below"
oops. i think i made a mistake.

1) increase to get to the melting temp
2) constant to break down the material
3) increase like 1
 
(3) increases until ...?
 

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