Clarification on Partial Derivative Symbols

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The discussion revolves around understanding the notation and interpretation of partial derivatives as presented in an uploaded image. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the specific symbols and their meanings, particularly in relation to variables x, y, z, and constants c1, c2, c3.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the meanings of various partial derivative symbols, questioning how to interpret them in the context of the problem. There is discussion about whether certain variables should be treated as constants and the implications of that on the derivatives.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, providing interpretations and suggesting that constants may not be treated as such in the context of partial derivatives. There is a recognition of differing perspectives on the nature of the variables involved.

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There is mention of previous coursework involving constants and the potential for confusion when different variables are introduced. The original poster's assumptions about constants are being questioned, indicating a need for clarity in definitions.

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I’ve never seen this format so I am not sure what it is asking. Taking L1.B as an example. They are partials, but does it mean partial of x with respect to z? And then partial of y with respect to z? I am pretty sure that part is right after looking at it again.

The one I am really confused about it L1.3D. There are two partial symbols with y and z in front of w. Maybe partial of x then y with respect to w?

And I guess the same thing with C. Partial of c1? Since c is a constant wouldn’t that be zero every time? There is no x with the partial symbols, so I don't think I do anything with the x or y?

I have only seen the following when referring to partial derivatives...

\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}
(partial of x with respect to y)

And...

F_{x}
(partial of x)
 

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read it as follows:
\partial_x = \frac{\partial }{\partial x}
 
When in doubt, search Google/Wiki ;)! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_derivative

3B. partial of z with respect to x...and partial of z with respect to y.
3C. I'm not sure on this one. I guess partial of u w/ respect to c1, c2, c3, separately.
3D. partial of w with respect to y and then partial with respect to x.
 
Perfect, that is what I was thinking. Thanks for the responses.

Back to the c1, c2, c3... since those are constants, isn't that just going to be zero? Or am I missing something still?
 
erok81 said:
Perfect, that is what I was thinking. Thanks for the responses.

Back to the c1, c2, c3... since those are constants, isn't that just going to be zero? Or am I missing something still?

Why do you think c1, c2 and c3 are constants? If you are taking partial derivatives of them, you shouldn't be thinking of them as constants.
 
Just assume x is not a function of c1, c2, or c3, and go from there.
 
Got it. I guess I am used to c being used as a constant. Plus we just did separation of variables where c1 and c2 where used as constants. With that and the fact that they were before the variables, like most constants, I just assumed that's why they were.

No matter how much I do these, I always get thrown off when different variables get used. :smile:
 

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