Clarification on the (+,-) of gravitational value along it's Y axis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of gravitational acceleration values in free fall equations, specifically addressing the sign conventions used in the equations of motion. Participants explore the implications of these conventions on the outcomes of calculations involving gravitational acceleration.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Chris, seeks clarification on whether the gravitational acceleration values (9.8 m/s² or 32 ft/s²) should be considered positive or negative when an object is falling, referencing the equation y = Vyo - 1/2gt².
  • Another participant, Mike, corrects the equation to y = Vyo * t - 0.5 * g * t², emphasizing that the equation assumes upward is positive and gravity acts downward.
  • Mike notes that if the initial velocity is zero, the final position will be negative, indicating the object has fallen below its starting point, while the sign of the initial velocity affects the final position differently.
  • A third participant suggests including the initial height (y0) in the equation for completeness.
  • Mike further clarifies that the units of acceleration should be m/s² or ft/s², stressing the importance of using only the magnitude of gravity in calculations without reapplying the sign to "g".

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of sign conventions in gravitational equations, indicating that no consensus has been reached regarding the treatment of gravitational values in free fall calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of establishing a consistent convention for positive and negative values in motion equations, which remains unresolved as participants present varying interpretations.

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Could someone please clarify, i thought i understood but some reading has brought some confusion. As far as the gravitational value of free fall equations are concerned, is 9.8m/s or the 32ft/s (+,-) when the object is falling. The formula y=Vyo-1/2gt^2

chris
 
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Truefire said:
Could someone please clarify, i thought i understood but some reading has brought some confusion. As far as the gravitational value of free fall equations are concerned, is 9.8m/s or the 32ft/s (+,-) when the object is falling. The formula y=Vyo-1/2gt^2

chris

The equation that you have shown is incorrect. It should be:

y = Vyo * t - 0.5 * g * t^2

The first "t" term was missing, and I added spaces and changed the "1/2" to "0.5" for clarity.

This equation is specific to gravity, not general constant acceleration. It basically assumes that positive position, velocity and acceleration are all upward, but that in this case the acceleration will be downward due to gravity.

If (for this equation) initial velocity is zero, you will find that the final position will always be a negative number since the object's final position is below it's initial position (it has gone down against the convention of up being positive).

If initial velocity is negative (directed downward), the final position will obviously also be negative.

If initial velocity is positive (directed upward), the final position will be dependent on time.

Not to create confusion, but in general for any motion calculation, you must pick a convention and stick with it. I you decide for example that positive is up for position, then the derivatives of position (velocity and acceleration) are also positive up. If we assume that positive is down, the equation would have been slightly different as would the signs of the inputs and outputs.

The output from an equation must always be measured against the conventions selected for the equation.

Hope that helps.

Mike
 
you should also add in y0, the initial height.
 
Truefire said:
... As far as the gravitational value of free fall equations are concerned, is 9.8m/s or the 32ft/s (+,-) when the object is falling. The formula y=Vyo-1/2gt^2

chris

I just re-read the initial post.
The units of acceleration that you list are incorrect. In the cases above, they should be either m/s^2 or ft/s^2. This is important, I'm not simply being picky.

Just to be clear, based on the equations discussed, only the magnitude of gravity should be used in place of "g" in the equation. Don't re-apply the sign to "g" in calculations.
 

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