Clarification on this derivation

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The discussion revolves around the calculus of variations, specifically focusing on the brachistochrone problem. Participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of certain steps in the derivation process, particularly steps 23 and 24, following a recent midterm exam.

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  • Participants are discussing the manipulation of equations related to the brachistochrone problem, questioning the typicality of a trigonometric substitution used in the derivation. There is also an exploration of the reasoning behind certain steps and the existence of solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts at understanding the derivation. Some have expressed concerns about specific steps, while others are questioning the methods used. There is no explicit consensus, but there is a productive exchange of ideas and clarifications being sought.

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Participants mention constraints such as time management due to work commitments and the recent midterm exam, which may be affecting their study and understanding of the material.

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We recently started calculus of variations in my classical mechanics course earlier this week, just before our midterm which was today. Unfortunately, I did very poorly on the exam. However, I'm going to dedicate more time to the class as well as my modern physics 2 class. It's unfortunate that I work 20 hours during the business week which is really at least 24 hours including lunch, commute, etc.

At any rate, I'm not following 23 and 24. This is for the brachistochrone problem. Also, I'm not exactly sure what the general approach is. Of course, 21 is the function (time) that you want minimized, so it looks like they did in a roundabout way by minimizing the distance y.

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The 23 is the 22 manipulated.

[tex] \frac{{y}'^2}{x(1+{y}'^2)} = \frac{1}{2a} \\[/tex]

[tex] \frac{x(1+{y}'^2)}{{y}'^2} = 2a \\[/tex]

[tex] \frac{1}{{y}'^2} = \frac{2a-x}{x} \\[/tex]

[tex] {y}'^2 = \frac{x}{2a-x} \\[/tex]

[tex] {y}' = \sqrt{\frac{x}{2a-x}} \\[/tex]

[tex] {y}' = \frac{x}{\sqrt{x(2a-x)}} \\[/tex]

[tex] {y}' = \frac{x}{\sqrt{2ax-x^2}} \\[/tex]
 
Yeah, I worked that out a little bit ago. Thanks. I was mainly concerned with 23 to 24. Is that a typical trigonometric substitution?
 
mmm I don't think it's typical.
It's a passage you make when you already know the solution by other ways, or you know it exist.
 
Quinzio said:
mmm I don't think it's typical.
It's a passage you make when you already know the solution by other ways, or you know it exist.

What is the little trick they used?
 

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