Class 3 Lever: Non-perpendicular Effort

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The discussion revolves around the calculations involved in modifying a class 3 lever system to reduce the lifting force required by a hydraulic ram. Participants are exploring the effects of applying effort at a non-perpendicular angle, specifically at 30 degrees to the horizontal plane, and how this impacts the required force to lift a load.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial calculation for the force required to lift a load using a class 3 lever with effort applied at a 30-degree angle, noting that their result seems incorrect.
  • Another participant suggests a rearrangement of the equation to find the necessary force, indicating that the vertical component of the force must equal a specific value.
  • A different participant proposes an alternative calculation method, arriving at a significantly higher force requirement, and questions whether this is correct.
  • One participant confirms the calculation of the force, providing a breakdown of the steps involved and reiterating the relationship between the vertical component and the total force.
  • A final response expresses gratitude for the assistance received in the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations presented, but there are different approaches to reaching the same conclusion. The discussion does not resolve whether one method is superior to another.

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The calculations depend on the assumptions made about the angles and the definitions of the forces involved. There may be unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

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Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, physics of levers, or hydraulic systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

We have a machine in our workshop in which we are modifying to relieve the amount of lifting force required by the hydraulic ram. This will subsequently reduce hydraulic system pressure which is the main goal. I'm trying to calculate the current configuration. It consists of a class 3 lever, with the effort applied at a 30 degree angle to the horizontal plane.

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I've tried the following equation:

5150 * 1.24 * sin(10) / 0.35 = 3168N

I know the above is incorrect. At sin(90) perpendicular effort I need 18,245 N to lift the load. I would expect an answer of 3 to 4 times this with the effort applied at 10 degrees.

Please can someone point me in the right direction.

Many thanks
 

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Hint..

N*Sin(10) must equal 18245

Rearrange to give N.
 
How about:

((5150 * 1.24) / sin(10)) / 0.35

This gives me 105,072.9 Newtons which equals 10.71 tonne.

Have I hit it?
 
Yes.

Although I'd work slightly differently it as...

Vertical component (Nv) of N =
(5150*1.24)/0.35 = 18245

Then
Nv = N Sin(10)
so
N = Nv/sin(10)
= 18245/sin(10)
= 105,068 Newtons
 
Excellent.

Thanks for your help.
 

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