Classical limit of the propagator

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The discussion revolves around the classical limit of the propagator in quantum field theory, specifically examining the conditions under which the propagator equals one for a free particle as certain parameters approach specific values. Participants explore the implications of taking the limit as Planck's constant approaches zero and the resulting behavior of the propagator.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the propagator should result in a delta distribution as $$ \hbar \rightarrow 0 $$, suggesting that classical correlations between positions at different times should not vanish.
  • Another participant introduces a scenario where the Hamiltonian restricts the particle's ability to transition between certain positions, arguing that for specific values, the classical correlator would vanish due to the absence of valid paths corresponding to those boundary conditions.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates that the classical correlator vanishes at all points except those along the classical trajectory, implying a delta function-like behavior in the limit.
  • Further, a participant poses a question regarding the limit of a specific function as $$ \hbar \rightarrow 0 $$, hinting at a deeper understanding of the integral of that function over a range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the propagator in the classical limit, with some suggesting it approaches a delta function while others emphasize the conditions under which this occurs. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific conditions and parameters (e.g., Hamiltonian, boundary conditions) that influence the behavior of the propagator, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these factors and may not apply universally.

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When taking $$ \hbar \rightarrow 0 $$ shouldnt the propagator result in a delta distribution?
I am currently starting with my first qft lectures and i am trying to see for the free particle that the propagator $$ <x_i | e^{-i\frac{p}{2m} T|x_f}>$$ will equal to one if x_f = 1, x_i=0 m=1 u=1 p=1, T=1 and $$\hbar \rightarrow 0$$ or 0 otherwise. I understand that this limit will result in an exponential term, but it is not one.

Any help, explanation why
 
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crises said:
Summary: When taking $$ \hbar \rightarrow 0 $$ shouldn't the propagator result in a delta distribution?
Why do you think so? You can think of propagator as a correlation of the positions of a single particle at two different times. In classical physics the position at one time depends on the position of an earlier time, so they are correlated. So the classical correlation at different times shound not vanish.
 
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What if the Hamiltonian is such that for a given time difference the particle can not be at position $x_2$ starting from position $x_1$ ?

For example, a particle with $p=1$ and $m=1$ has a Hamiltonian $H=\frac{1}{2}$. Suppose 1-D. Then if $x_1=0$ and $x_2=1$ $ \Delta T=1$. So the integral is a constant up to normalizaton factor. However, if T is not as before then in the classical limit there is no contribution, because there is no path that can correspond to those B.C
 
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What if the Hamiltonian is such that for a given time difference the particle can not be at position $x_2$ starting from position $x_1$ ?
Then for those particular values the classical correlator vanishes. In fact, the classical correlator vanishes at all points except those at the classical trajectory, so it is a kind of a delta function. And I guess you want to understand why. Here is a hint.

What is ##f(\varphi)=\lim_{\hbar\rightarrow 0}e^{i\varphi/\hbar}##?
Can you draw the real part of ##f(\varphi)##?
From this drawing can you conclude what is ##\int_{\varphi_1}^{\varphi_2}d\varphi\, f(\varphi)##?
 
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