Classical mechanics, angular momentum and velocity not parallel, why?

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The problem involves a particle of mass m revolving in a circle about the z-axis and examines the relationship between angular momentum and angular velocity. The original poster seeks to understand why the angular momentum L is not parallel to the angular velocity w, and how this changes when a second particle is introduced.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of angular momentum in relation to linear momentum and the implications of vector components in different axes. There is a focus on the relationship between the moment of inertia and the orientation of angular momentum.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the vector nature of angular momentum and its components, suggesting that the angular momentum is not parallel to the angular velocity due to its components in multiple axes. There is ongoing exploration of the second part of the problem regarding the combined angular momentum of two particles.

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Participants mention the importance of visual aids, such as diagrams, to better understand the relationships between the vectors involved. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by considering multiple particles and their respective angular momenta.

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Homework Statement


A single particle of mass m is revolving at steady speed in a circle of radius a about the z axis at a height h above the origin. In this situation the particle has angular velocity w = wz

1 Show that the angular momentum L is not parallel to w

2 If a second particle revolves in the same circle at the opposite end of a diameter, show that the combined angular momentumof the two particles rotating rigiidly is parallel to w.

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For the first question, i have found a webpage that talks about this situation and describes the problem of w and L not being parallel. But I am finding it hard to extract what information to show that this is true. Here is the link: http://sites.isel.ipl.pt/fisica/pedagogia/ajp75(2007)53.pdf

I am concentrating on the first question first so any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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To answer part (1), consider this:

In rotational motion, angular momentum [tex]\stackrel{\rightarrow}{L} = \stackrel{\rightarrow}{r} \times\stackrel{\rightarrow}{P}[/tex], where P is linear momentum.
 
simon1987 said:
To answer part (1), consider this:

In rotational motion, angular momentum [tex]\stackrel{\rightarrow}{L} = \stackrel{\rightarrow}{r} \times\stackrel{\rightarrow}{P}[/tex], where P is linear momentum.

Does this show that the components of L are in the x and y axes as well as z. Therefore it isn't parallel because of this?
 
karnten07 said:
Does this show that the components of L are in the x and y axes as well as z. Therefore it isn't parallel because of this?

I think i have the answer to the first part by showing that the moment of inertia in this case has components that are perpendicular to the z axis therefore L and w arent parallel. Any help on the second part would be much appreciated.
 
karnten07 said:
I think i have the answer to the first part by showing that the moment of inertia in this case has components that are perpendicular to the z axis therefore L and w arent parallel.

Have you drawn a picture? It is incredibly helpful when considering multiple different vectors. Consider: what would the cross product be of z and P if z were parallel to P?

As for part (2), remember that "combined" is just the sum of the two angular momenta, and that each angular momentum is a separate vector. Again, draw a picture.
 
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