Classical Newtonian Physics: Space & Time Independence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the independence of space and time in classical Newtonian physics, exploring the implications of equations of motion and their interpretations. Participants examine the relationship between time and position, and how this contrasts with concepts in Special Relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assertion that space and time are independent in Newtonian physics, citing equations of motion that suggest a dependence between time and the position of a moving particle.
  • One participant argues that the equations reflect a dependence of position on time rather than a direct dependence between space and time.
  • Another participant notes the absence of a term like "t=Ax" in Newtonian relativity, suggesting that time is coupled to space in a limited way, contrasting this with Special Relativity, which introduces such a term affecting simultaneity.
  • A participant states two facts about Newtonian spacetime: the time between events is invariant across reference systems, and simultaneous events maintain the same distance in all frames.
  • One participant draws an analogy using Cartesian coordinates, indicating that while the x and y directions are independent, relationships can still be established through functions, suggesting a nuanced view of independence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the independence of space and time in Newtonian physics, with no consensus reached regarding the implications of the equations of motion or the nature of their relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of Newtonian physics in addressing the coupling of space and time, particularly in contrast to Special Relativity, without resolving the implications of these differences.

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Hi folks,

Tell me please why in classical Newtonian physics one can say that the space and time are independent? But we have equations of motion which clearly show this dependence (x=Vt; x=x0+1/2at^2+v0t).

Thank you.
 
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Dimani4 said:
Hi folks,

Tell me please why in classical Newtonian physics one can say that the space and time are independent? But we have equations of motion which clearly show this dependence (x=Vt; x=x0+1/2at^2+v0t).

Thank you.

That's not dependence between time and space. That's a dependence between time and the position of a particle that is moving at a specific velocity.
 
Dimani4 said:
Hi folks,

Tell me please why in classical Newtonian physics one can say that the space and time are independent? But we have equations of motion which clearly show this dependence (x=Vt; x=x0+1/2at^2+v0t).

Thank you.
There is no "t=Ax" term in Newtonian relativity, so this means that time is only coupled to space in one regard (the one that you mention). SR puts this term in, so is really a generalization of Galilean relativity. The term it puts in is responsible for differences in simultaneity between observers.
 
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Two facts about Newtonian spacetime that are both different from the spacetime of Special Relativity are:
  1. The time between two events is the same in every reference system.
  2. If two events are simultaneous, then the distance between them is the same in every reference frame.
 
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If you have a Cartesian frame {xy}, the x and y-directions are linear independent. But this doesn't mean we cannot introduce functions y(x), i.e. curves describing a relation between x and y.
 
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